Parenting Police.

[JPC sr]

Originally Posted by Ender

To insinuate that the government shouldn't have had any jurisdiction in marriages just contradicts your own statements entirely. You're promoting religion in governments, but now you're saying the governments should stay out of religion. These things aren't one-way streets.

The separation of Church and State was to keep gov out of religion and not to keep religion out of gov. It might sound like a contradiction but certainly is not. The institution of marriage was a religious sacriment and the gov's place was to uphold and defend the citizen's religions but instead the gov undermined the religious authority in marriages by granting the writ of divorce and it took the power of marriage away from religion. That was a costly mistake for our society but it could still be repaired.

Originally Posted by Ender

The Broken Family unit excuse is a greater cop-out than any; because a father figure (or motherly figure) can be useful throughout life - but it doesn't exactly have to be biological.

To do it correctly then it does have to be both of the biological parents. If biology did not count then the gov would not be hunting them down like dogs to steal their money from them for being biological.

Originally Posted by Ender

Having two parents fighting every evening does cause psychological trauma to the child; that's self-explainatory. If you try to dispute that fact, you're absolutely mad - no offense. A couple who aren't truly a 'couple' shouldn't really be together, children or no children. Otherwise you're just sitting there and causing problems and stress for the children involved.

That is a gov response but not a religious position. The gov gives divorces and religion requires duty and honor. The parents can separate without getting a divorce and there are means and methods for reconciliation and forgiveness and repentance. The gov gives our society divorces and broken families while Church and religion is how the community gain strength and become strong. So yes I am against any easy divorce or quick separations and it does not mean that I am "abosuletly mad" as "E" posted. Staying together for the benefit of the children is a noble and honorable stance.

Big daddy gov playing God is a big mistake.

Originally Posted by Ender

It's something that's called 'Victim Impact Response'. From basic understanding, if you change what you feel guilty about - you shouldn't have any reason to feel guilty about it any longer.

I study psychology and I deal with my own guilt and my pains as best as I can, but I have no guilt where it comes to the unjust child support as all I feel for it is contempt and anger and I suggest strongly that all people need to express a righteous indignation to those unjust and evil child support laws.

[JPC sr]

Originally Posted by This_person

and your strong views about neglecting your legal obligation of child support have brought you and your son closer? That you feel he respects you and your positions?

I really do not know, and I do not speak for him.

In my own personal perspective - I answer to God first and foremost,

everybody else comes in behind that.

[hvp05 (Premo)]

Originally Posted by JPC sr

I really do not know, and I do not speak for him.

[This_person]

Originally Posted by JPC sr

I really do not know, and I do not speak for him.

In my own personal perspective - I answer to God first and foremost,

everybody else comes in behind that.

I'll try again.

Are you saying you don't know what YOUR opinion is, or that you don't know what HIS opinion is?

My question does not concern HIS opinion. I am asking if YOU think your actions of desertion of your family, choosing to be jailed, financially neglecting your child, and calling your son not your immediate family brought you and your son closer. This is for YOUR opinion, not his. How do YOU feel about it, about your relationship with him?

Unless, your answer of I don't know was meant to convey that you don't know how your relationship is with him, or if your actions and inactions have helped your relationship.

[JPC sr]

Originally Posted by This_person

I'll try again.

Are you saying you don't know what YOUR opinion is, or that you don't know what HIS opinion is?

I do not know his opinion and I do not speak for him and I do not ask him to come here or elsewhere to speak concerning my election campaign nor for any other reason. I would not want him to be exposed to your form of slander but the child support system has already put its slander onto my son as it has unjustly degraded all the separated parents and degraded the children, and I believe that the child support has unjustly degraded all the custodials too. The slander is perhaps more wrong and more damaging than the injustice itself. I would like to stop it being used against all families and I am still trying to stop it but we live in a cold hateful world.

Originally Posted by This_person

My question does not concern HIS opinion. I am asking if YOU think your actions of desertion of your family, choosing to be jailed, financially neglecting your child, and calling your son not your immediate family brought you and your son closer. This is for YOUR opinion, not his. How do YOU feel about it, about your relationship with him?

All those things are amplified and wrongfully mis-used by the law and by slanderers to further divide families and further separate parents and further alienate the children and the gov and its laws of divorce, custody and child support have harmed my family the same way as it continues to harm all the families in the degrading unGodly system.

So yes I do believe it has harmed my family very much so and I can only hope that my son can see through the slander as I do.

[This_person]

Originally Posted by JPC sr

I do not know his opinion and I do not speak for him and I do not ask him to come here or elsewhere to speak concerning my election campaign nor for any other reason.

Okay, thanks.

...the gov and its laws of divorce, custody and child support have harmed my family the same way as it continues to harm all the families in the degrading unGodly system.

So yes I do believe it has harmed my family very much so and I can only hope that my son can see through the slander as I do.

Wait, I'm asking if YOUR actions and inactions harmed or helped your relationship. It sounds like you're answering whether the Child Support Enforcement harmed you. Clearly, had you followed the rules of society and law, there would have been no actions on their part, so that's not the point of the question. My question is if you believe that your desertion of your family (your phrase, not mine), your proud financial abandonment of your child (your pride, no one else's), etc., helps your relationship. You've lived what you believe the laws should do. Did that help your relationship, in YOUR opinion, with him.

You're answering questions I'm NOT asking, but NOT answering the question I AM asking.

[JPC sr]

Originally Posted by This_person

Wait, I'm asking if YOUR actions and inactions harmed or helped your relationship.

I really do not know, and you ask such a broad question which can not be realisticly answered. My actions during my marriage certainly hurt everyone concerned, but my spray painting the Court House was a brillient inspiration that I am still quite proud of. So my actions go every which way in effects.

Originally Posted by This_person

It sounds like you're answering whether the Child Support Enforcement harmed you.

Well I see that many of my actions were the direct result of the unjust child support. Some want to degrade me for going to jail and other things but I know that the cause was the unjust child support and that changes the story.

You and others can pretend that the child support is not a bunch of damn dirty thievery and slander and injustice but I will not do that.

Originally Posted by This_person

Clearly, had you followed the rules of society and law, there would have been no actions on their part, so that's not the point of the question.

That is probably basically true, but now that I do know full well of the great injustices in the child support laws then now I believe we all must honestly and decisively resist and defy those unjust laws.

Originally Posted by This_person

My question is if you believe that your desertion of your family (your phrase, not mine), your proud financial abandonment of your child (your pride, no one else's), etc., helps your relationship. You've lived what you believe the laws should do. Did that help your relationship, in YOUR opinion, with him.

I really do not know, and I will not investigate to find out.

In my past I did do what I thought was right at those times and that is all that I can expect of my self.

I do regret my mistakes and my errors and I still live with a lot of regrets.

[This_person]

Originally Posted by JPC sr

... my spray painting the Court House was a brillient inspiration that I am still quite proud of.

Do you ever intend to do anything to compensate the people you've damaged trying to make your "point"? For example, we've discussed the costs of cleaning up your mess, putting you in adult time out, etc. I'm asking as a taxpayer, do you intend on doing anything to make up for your acts?

I really do not know, and I will not investigate to find out. In my past I did do what I thought was right at those times and that is all that I can expect of my self.
I do regret my mistakes and my errors and I still live with a lot of regrets.

The question you answered here was whether you think the actions you took helped you in your relationship with your son. Answering that you don't know was disheartening enough, but that you won't investigate is exceptionally sad. You're asking that others follow the lead you took, but you can't even say that your actions, the ideas you put out, are any good!

Don't you think that if you're asking to change child support issues from a state to federal level, to unravel the moral fabric of society with the law changes you recommend, following your lead, that you should at least be able to point to a successful example? On a more personal level, wouldn't you want to have re-enforced to you that what you did made you the good dad you believe yourself to be? Especially if you're advising that son to be the same type of dad?

And, if you are still suggesting people do the things you did (abandon their children financially, desert their families, treat their children as not their immediate family by being out of communication with them, feel no remorse for that pain, etc.) shouldn't those actions on your part be something you don't regret?

[hvp05 (Premo)]

Originally Posted by This_person

I'm asking as a taxpayer, do you intend on doing anything to make up for your acts?

He is running for and going to take Hoyer's HoR seat, which will then allow him to tear down the unjust child support and lead us to his version of Utopia. Haven't you understood that yet?

Originally Posted by This_person

You're asking that others follow the lead you took, but you can't even say that your actions, the ideas you put out, are any good!

I was wondering where your line of questioning was leading. Good cornering. He's apparently taking an extra long time to conjure the perfect obfuscatory, diversionary response.

[This_person]

Originally Posted by hvp05

He is running for and going to take Hoyer's HoR seat, which will then allow him to tear down the unjust child support and lead us to his version of Utopia. Haven't you understood that yet?

I was wondering where your line of questioning was leading. Good cornering. He's apparently taking an extra long time to conjure the perfect obfuscatory, diversionary response.

He spoke the truth and stands by what he wrote. That way, he doesn't have to face any scrutiny!