Parenting Police.

[queen]

Child support is based on the difference between each parents income and custody. If one parent is dirt poor, that parent shouldn't have been having babies in the first place. If you can't afford them, don't make them!

[JPC sr]

Originally Posted by queen

Child support is based on the difference between each parents income and custody. If one parent is dirt poor, that parent shouldn't have been having babies in the first place. If you can't afford them, don't make them!

Welcome to this "Community Forum"

your profile says this is your first post so I am flattered that my thread is so honored by your first post.

In reply to your statement I would point out that having babies is not a reserved privledge of the rich. Poor people even dirt poor people are permitted to have children and no Country and no laws will ever stop the poor from having children. The child support laws do try and do punish the poor parents for having children but the law will fail in due course of time. I just wish I could help make it completely fail sooner or even now.

The Bible says for people to be fruitful and to multiply and that means the poor people get to have babies too even if our immoral gov continues to punish them unjustly.

That is my opinion.

[This_person]

Originally Posted by JPC sr

... my spray painting the Court House was a brillient inspiration that I am still quite proud of.

Do you ever intend to do anything to compensate the people you've damaged trying to make your "point"? For example, we've discussed the costs of cleaning up your mess, putting you in adult time out, etc. I'm asking as a taxpayer, do you intend on doing anything to make up for your acts?

I really do not know, and I will not investigate to find out. In my past I did do what I thought was right at those times and that is all that I can expect of my self.
I do regret my mistakes and my errors and I still live with a lot of regrets.

The question you answered here was whether you think the actions you took helped you in your relationship with your son. Answering that you don't know was disheartening enough, but that you won't investigate is exceptionally sad. You're asking that others follow the lead you took, but you can't even say that your actions, the ideas you put out, are any good!

Don't you think that if you're asking to change child support issues from a state to federal level, to unravel the moral fabric of society with the law changes you recommend, following your lead, that you should at least be able to point to a successful example? On a more personal level, wouldn't you want to have re-enforced to you that what you did made you the good dad you believe yourself to be? Especially if you're advising that son to be the same type of dad?

And, if you are still suggesting people do the things you did (abandon their children financially, desert their families, treat their children as not their immediate family by being out of communication with them, feel no remorse for that pain, etc.) shouldn't those actions on your part be something you don't regret?

[This_person]

Originally Posted by JPC sr

Welcome to this "Community Forum"

your profile says this is your first post so I am flattered that my thread is so honored by your first post.

In reply to your statement I would point out that having babies is not a reserved privledge of the rich. Poor people even dirt poor people are permitted to have children and no Country and no laws will ever stop the poor from having children. The child support laws do try and do punish the poor parents for having children but the law will fail in due course of time. I just wish I could help make it completely fail sooner or even now.

The Bible says for people to be fruitful and to multiply and that means the poor people get to have babies too even if our immoral gov continues to punish them unjustly.

That is my opinion.

So long as you either don't want them to eat, don't want them to be able to have a home (affordable housing, Jimmy, one of your staples!) - or you expect anyone and everyone BUT yourself to provide these things for your children, you have a good point, Jimmy.

[JPC sr]

Originally Posted by This_person

Do you ever intend to do anything to compensate the people you've damaged trying to make your "point"? For example, we've discussed the costs of cleaning up your mess, putting you in adult time out, etc. I'm asking as a taxpayer, do you intend on doing anything to make up for your acts?

I went to jail and on to prison and I did my time served and that is it. I see no need to compensate anyone or anything in regard to my spray painting activities. And I know of no other damage to be compensated by me.

Of course I could envision a recompensation to me for damages by the unjust child support, but I am not pressing that claim now.

Originally Posted by This_person

You're asking that others follow the lead you took, but you can't even say that your actions, the ideas you put out, are any good!

, following your lead, that you should at least be able to point to a successful example?

And, if you are still suggesting people do the things you did
shouldn't those actions on your part be something you don't regret?

I do not ask anybody to do as I did or anything that I have done.

I failed in many of my regards so now I suggest we use new ways and fight by more effective means.

I do not ask people to follow my lead - I only want others to join in the resistance as honest citizens against the unjust laws.

[hvp05 (Premo)]

Originally Posted by JPC sr

In reply to your statement I would point out that having babies is not a reserved privledge of the rich. Poor people even dirt poor people are permitted to have children and no Country and no laws will ever stop the poor from having children.

You're rewriting posts again. She never said poor people should not have children. What she said was more akin to saying "people should live within their means."

It would be stupid for a person earning $23,000/year to run up credit bills by eating out often and buying expensive tech toys. If someone should do that the credit lenders will hound the person intently until the debt is paid. Just the same if someone tries to push their children on the dole indefinitely. Especially if that parent is choosing to not pay, someone needs to make them responsible - financially if not morally.

Originally Posted by JPC sr

The child support laws do try and do punish the poor parents for having children but the law will fail in due course of time.

If the government hates poor people, why give them financial and food assistance? And special tax breaks?

[This_person]

Originally Posted by JPC sr

I went to jail and on to prison and I did my time served and that is it. I see no need to compensate anyone or anything in regard to my spray painting activities. And I know of no other damage to be compensated by me.

Recompense the tax payers for your time in jail.

Of course I could envision a recompensation to me for damages by the unjust child support, but I am not pressing that claim now.

You should, you should. Let me know the court date, I'd love to hear your claim and the judge's response.

I do not ask anybody to do as I did or anything that I have done. I failed in many of my regards so now I suggest we use new ways and fight by more effective means. I do not ask people to follow my lead - I only want others to join in the resistance as honest citizens against the unjust laws.

So, you can't show any example of where it was a good thing for any family anywhere, yet you can show many examples of where your actions harmed families and people. Many people have done what you are fighting for, and it's always turned out horribly for the families involved.

Why would anyone join your "resistance"?

[JPC sr]

Originally Posted by This_person

Recompense the tax payers for your time in jail.

Like that is ever going to happen - not.

Originally Posted by This_person

Why would anyone join your "resistance"?

I do not think parents nor society in due time really have any choice but to join the resistance because that kind of gov injustice in child support just keeps growing like a cancer until it kills us. We can fight it now in an earlier stage or later in a more malignant stage but fight it will happen.

The unjust child support violates the basic family unit, the separated parents do not even have the option of surrendering to it as the injustice built into the unjust child support makes it intolerable for any honest conscience.

I do offer my resistance as an option but if not then the later resistance that is sure to come will not be as nice as mine.

[This_person]

Originally Posted by JPC sr

I do not think parents nor society in due time really have any choice but to join the resistance because that kind of gov injustice in child support just keeps growing like a cancer until it kills us. We can fight it now in an earlier stage or later in a more malignant stage but fight it will happen.

The unjust child support violates the basic family unit, the separated parents do not even have the option of surrendering to it as the injustice built into the unjust child support makes it intolerable for any honest conscience.

I do offer my resistance as an option but if not then the later resistance that is sure to come will not be as nice as mine.

You DO realize that these are laws voted on and approved by the representatives of the people? The same people you think are going to then change their minds and fight illegally, vice changing the laws (if that's what they think should be done)? You're not so out of touch you don't get that, are you?

[JPC sr]

Originally Posted by This_person

You DO realize that these are laws voted on and approved by the representatives of the people? The same people you think are going to then change their minds and fight illegally, vice changing the laws (if that's what they think should be done)? You're not so out of touch you don't get that, are you?

We simply do not have a genuine democracy that people vote for the laws, we have a Republic where the Representatives make the laws for the population.

So we have people like Steny Hoyer that falsely and immorally represent the 5th District.

And yes of course I believe the citizens and the Representatives both will join the resistance against the injustices of child support in due time.

First they must be shown and convinced and it will come, maybe not by me but it will come because injustice is a sickness that can not be ignored for too long.