JPC: Death Penalty?

[JPC sr]

Originally Posted by czygvtwkr

What if their confession is more on the order of bragging, wanting everyone to know what they did?

Killing the criminal might silence them but long years in jail is what shuts them up.

Some criminals still today speak from the grave.

[spicy]

Originally Posted by JPC sr

Jail / prison is really very hard on the inmates, and if it were not for things like TV and cards then the inmates will start killing themselves.

It has already happened in the USA Gitmo jail in Cuba. It happens everywhere.

And suicides create an unbelievable and horrible atmosphere in a jail as the spirits become uneasy and nothing is safe afterwards. Both the inmates and the guards will freak out if suicides are not controled both in jail and outside of jails.

Even years ago when the Buddhist monks strarted killing themselves by fire in front of the Vietnam gov center then it sent chills thoughout the whole world until the gov was begging the monks to stop it and the law changed to help stop the monks.

Gandhi did it by "fasting unto death" and he shook the whole Empire.

Human beings require certain standards even in jails or else the jails explode with madness.

Ok, but do you really agree with giving them so many rights? I mean is it really necessary for me to pay my tax dollars for them to watch BET and other cable? JPC do you even have access to cable? Many people simply can't afford it after food and living expenses which the prisoners also receive free. Sure let them watch pbs...maybe Arthur will teach them some life lessons...or magic school bus, but there is nothing on BET they need to be watching.

[JPC sr]

Originally Posted by spicy

Ok, but do you really agree with giving them so many rights? I mean is it really necessary for me to pay my tax dollars for them to watch BET and other cable? JPC do you even have access to cable? Many people simply can't afford it after food and living expenses which the prisoners also receive free. Sure let them watch pbs...maybe Arthur will teach them some life lessons...or magic school bus, but there is nothing on BET they need to be watching.

I never watched BET until I went to prison and now I still like the rap music. The black folks really know how to take nothing and turn it into something.

I also found that most people in jail were poor and under - privledged and they never saw BET before either (I did not watch it because I was white). Many an inmate grew more intouch with our wider society through BET.

I thought about giving the inmates only PBS or educational programing but that idea is very flawed. To inform and to educate criminals, as most of them will get released, is to create educated criminals.

In the old days (and maybe still do it) when a kid got into big trouble then the kids were sent to private schools, like Catholic schools or military schools in order to discipline the kids, then - as it turned out - we created disciplined and educated adults that got into bigger trouble. So educating people in jail is not necessarily wise.

The correct logic is if we have well behaved smart kids (or adults) then they need to get the extra help and better discipline and private schooling so then the best ones will more likely do the best things.

If you know what I mean.

The jails are meant to be the punishment and not punishing them after getting to the jail.

You are talking about punishing the people after they get to jail instead of jail being the punishment.

[This_person]

Originally Posted by JPC sr

I thought about giving the inmates only PBS or educational programing but that idea is very flawed. To inform and to educate criminals, as most of them will get released, is to create educated criminals.

Or, maybe that would be a form of actual rehabilitation and help them become productive members of society, instead of the loads on decent people they are while they're in jail.

In the old days (and maybe still do it) when a kid got into big trouble then the kids were sent to private schools, like Catholic schools or military schools in order to discipline the kids, then - as it turned out - we created disciplined and educated adults that got into bigger trouble. So educating people in jail is not necessarily wise. The correct logic is if we have well behaved smart kids (or adults) then they need to get the extra help and better discipline and private schooling so then the best ones will more likely do the best things.

Are you aware that these three sentences conflict with each other?

The jails are meant to be the punishment and not punishing them after getting to the jail. You are talking about punishing the people after they get to jail instead of jail being the punishment.

]If it's not punishment after getting them to jail, where's the punishment? The car ride in?

[spicy]

Alright, JPC, what do you suggest we do with criminals? You say we can't educate them because that would make them better criminals I guess?

Yet you believe that the criminals can be sorry, and repent, and make things better, and be forgiven. So, if they are truly sorry like you believe they are, then they wouldn't do more crimes once they got out, and so, wouldn't it be worth it to educate them even a little and maybe they could better our society no matter how little?

[JPC sr]

Originally Posted by spicy

Alright, JPC, what do you suggest we do with criminals? You say we can't educate them because that would make them better criminals I guess?

Yet you believe that the criminals can be sorry, and repent, and make things better, and be forgiven. So, if they are truly sorry like you believe they are, then they wouldn't do more crimes once they got out, and so, wouldn't it be worth it to educate them even a little and maybe they could better our society no matter how little?

I blame society and the gov for creating the crimes and the criminals and so I sympathize with the people caught up in the criminal system.

I think we need to change our laws and improve our society and then crime will decrease naturally.

I do like educating the criminals but not the eduction that is expected to turn them into better servants to our violent society.

So maybe I spoke to harshly about educating the prisoners as I think everyone in and out of jail needs to be de-educated in many ways and then educated correctly but that would be a big task.

There is now education classes in every jail and prison and that is fine by me. I would simply suggest to everyone that we must foremost educate ourselves by all apropriate means.

[This_person]

Originally Posted by JPC sr

I blame society and the gov for creating the crimes and the criminals and so I sympathize with the people caught up in the criminal system. I think we need to change our laws and improve our society and then crime will decrease naturally.

And, what part "personal responsibility" of the criminal is included in blaming society and the government? Sympathy is good. Improving society is good. What about the people still committing the crimes until then? Say, tomorrow?

I do like educating the criminals but not the eduction that is expected to turn them into better servants to our violent society.

My first reaction to this was, "what the hell are you talking about?" Then I realized, I don't care.

So maybe I spoke to harshly about educating the prisoners as I think everyone in and out of jail needs to be de-educated in many ways and then educated correctly but that would be a big task.

You admitted a mistake. I'm proud of you, son. 10,000 to go, but the journey of a thousand miles starts with the first step.

[JPC sr]

Originally Posted by Tinkerbell

Oh damn.... I saw the title of this thread and thought maybe the state had finally wised up and given him the death penalty. Imagine my disappointment.

Well I still love you anyway.

[Beelzebaby666]

Originally Posted by JPC sr

Is God on your side JPC?

I'd really love to see that endorsement in writing....

[JPC sr]

Originally Posted by spicy

Ok, but do you really agree with giving them so many rights? I mean is it really necessary for me to pay my tax dollars for them to watch BET and other cable? JPC do you even have access to cable? Many people simply can't afford it after food and living expenses which the prisoners also receive free. Sure let them watch pbs...maybe Arthur will teach them some life lessons...or magic school bus, but there is nothing on BET they need to be watching.

Besides suicides there is also the problem of homosexuality and the TV gives the inmates some thing to occupy their time beside the homo stuff and the jails do not want wide spread disease and debauchery in the jails.

Plus by mistreating the prisoners too much then they attack the guards and or riot. That is a big threat to any system. People can not be controlled solely by force because we have limits to our fear and then we attack - do or die.

Most prisoners want to get released by parole / probation or even time served and so they behave in jail and cooperate with the system and they snitch on any trouble making other inmate. So the jails need the prisoners to be content and passive or else the system breaks down into catastraphy.