Solution for c/s.

[czygvtwkr]

Originally Posted by I'mno Mensa

half what he had in property,

So was everything that was theirs really his?

[JPC sr]

Originally Posted by I'mno Mensa

This guy just got the short end of the stick.

Now I know some in here believe the father is always wrong ,always the one who runs around, always the abusive one, always deserves the dirty end of the stick.
Well it just aint so folks. Many Fathers would be happy to be the custodial parent,and could do a great job of it. I wonder how ,many mother's would feel ,if they were paying Child Support.

I find that given the option that most separated parents would be happy to take over full custody with no child support. Just give us the children and the old custodial need not provide any more unless they want to.

It is a pompous lie that the child is some great burden for the custodial to provide the child's needs because it is a blessing.

It is like getting a new car and crying about having to put gas in the tank. Like if you do not want it then give it back to me.

If any parent thinks custody is a burden then give custody to the separated parent and see how much of a burden the children really are.

The claims to child support are hypocritical and fraudulent.

[MMDad]

Originally Posted by JPC sr

So Jimmy, while your ex-wife was dying, and her family was scraping for every penny to save her life, did you send your son the non-cash things he needed? Did you send school supplies, clothes, shoes, or food?

[JPC sr]

Originally Posted by MMDad

So Jimmy, while your ex-wife was dying, and her family was scraping for every penny to save her life, did you send your son the non-cash things he needed? Did you send school supplies, clothes, shoes, or food?

My son had all of that stuff and he was not in any need at all. But I do think that if the child support law had been different and actually let me buy things my kid needed instead of stealing my money then it would have worked better even for my case.

Plus child support is not meant to be subsidizing the custodial's medical bills.

I really did regret my ex wife sickness but it was cancer and there was nothing that I could do about it.

[MMDad]

Originally Posted by JPC sr

My son had all of that stuff and he was not in any need at all. But I do think that if the child support law had been different and actually let me buy things my kid needed instead of stealing my money then it would have worked better even for my case.

Plus child support is not meant to be subsidizing the custodial's medical bills.

I really did regret my ex wife sickness but it was cancer and there was nothing that I could do about it.

As usual, you did not answer the question. Did you send your son the non-cash things he needed? Did you send school supplies, clothes, shoes, or food?

We already know you sent no money, so surely you sent him the neccesities, right?

[Pushrod]

Originally Posted by JPC sr

I do not see why parents need monitoring for their own children by the big daddy gov.

We really need to get the gov out of the family business.

In a free society the parents take care of their own children by their own standards.

There is nothing to monitor unless there is a charge of criminal child abuse.

We do not need the gov monitoring the personal lives of our families.

Actually, this might work out well. The custodial parent sends the shopping list to the non-custodial for all the food, clothes, school supplies, etc... that the child needs and the n-c parent must purchase and deliver within a few days. This would sure save the custodial parent time and effort of having to go shopping (which I hate) and allow more time to be spent with the child!!

[This_person]

Originally Posted by JPC sr

I find that given the option that most separated parents would be happy to take over full custody with no child support. Just give us the children and the old custodial need not provide any more unless they want to.

It is a pompous lie that the child is some great burden for the custodial to provide the child's needs because it is a blessing.

It is like getting a new car and crying about having to put gas in the tank. Like if you do not want it then give it back to me.

If any parent thinks custody is a burden then give custody to the separated parent and see how much of a burden the children really are.

The claims to child support are hypocritical and fraudulent.

Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy. I thought you were done with this.....

Here's a way to handle exactly what you're describing:

Since it would be unfair to the non-custodial parent to provide more than their income would support, we could figure out how much that parent earns as income, compare it to the custodial parent's income, and figure a fair percentage of actual child rearing costs each parent should be responsible for based upon this fair distribution of incomes. So, figure in the medical insurance, the cost to each parent to provide for a reasonable living condition for the child(ren) based upon the pre-split living conditions, figure the costs of private schools (if the parents believe they should provide this), etc. Once we have all of the reasonable costs figured out, that the parents agree to (or are mediated to), and we know the income potential distributions of each parent, we could make it a lot easier for the non-custodial parent. We could just have them provide that amount of money to a fund monitored by the state (to ensure there's no cheating, stealing from the kid, etc.), and let the care provider provide for the costs with this fund as well as their own portion.

Oh, wait, that's all fair and reasonable, and what the system is supposed to be now!

[This_person]

Originally Posted by JPC sr

My son had all of that stuff and he was not in any need at all. But I do think that if the child support law had been different and actually let me buy things my kid needed instead of stealing my money then it would have worked better even for my case.

Let me ask you this - how did you get tens of thousands of dollars delinquent in child support if the child support enforcement "parenting police" were "stealing" your money?

It would seem you weren't paying, AND you weren't providing.

Do you want me to send you back your link to the word "hypocrite" so you can re-read it?

Plus child support is not meant to be subsidizing the custodial's medical bills.

Let me help you understand this one.

Custodial parent earns their weekly paycheck. The costs associated with the child being raised in this home include rent/mortgage, electric, gas, water, cable, phone, groceries, clothing, school supplies, car payment, medical insurance, car insurance, gas for transporting, toys, etc. This is before we get into the "luxuries" of which you speak. Now, if the c/p is providing 100% of these costs, that leaves them with less money to provide for their own medical bills than if the n-c/p provides a fair percentage of these costs for the child.

See, if you and I decided to buy and maintain a car together (to use your analogy), and that car needed oil changes, gas, new tires, a new air filter, a radiator flush before the harsh season, etc.; well, that comes to a significant amount of money. If I'm the only one putting all of the money into the car, then I don't have any money left for my groceries. But, since the car is BOTH of ours, and we BOTH are obligated (morally, and by law) to keep this car in proper condition, then I should be able to expect you to provide your fair share for the car so that I can pay for my groceries. That's not you providing for my groceries, that's you paying your fair share of the car costs so that I have money left over for my groceries.

Now, personally, I think the car comparrison is dumb, because a child is not a car. But, if you like this one so much (it's about the tenth time I've seen you use it), maybe (probably not, but maybe) you'll understand if I use your same analogy.

I really did regret my ex wife sickness but it was cancer and there was nothing that I could do about it.

I don't really mean to speak for someone else here, but I think you missed his point. You're clearly not a doctor, so you couldn't help with the cancer. But, taking the stress load off of the family by providing your fair share for your son would reasonably be assumed to have made the situation she was in the less complicated. If you were being robbed, that's bad (like she was being robbed of her life), but being robbed and poked in the eye at the same time (by what your child's other parent is doing to the child, in this case) makes it that much worse.

[Tinkerbell]

Originally Posted by Pushrod

Actually, this might work out well. The custodial parent sends the shopping list to the non-custodial for all the food, clothes, school supplies, etc... that the child needs and the n-c parent must purchase and deliver within a few days. This would sure save the custodial parent time and effort of having to go shopping (which I hate) and allow more time to be spent with the child!!

And I bet ya that most of the non-custodial parents would find that buying the stuff instead of sending the money would cost them MORE than what their monthly child support payment was. People sometimes seem to forget just how much money it takes to raise a child.

[JPC sr]

Originally Posted by Tinkerbell

And I bet ya that most of the non-custodial parents would find that buying the stuff instead of sending the money would cost them MORE than what their monthly child support payment was. People sometimes seem to forget just how much money it takes to raise a child.

I really agree with this assessment by Tink.

And I actually know parents that pay freely without child support enforcement and the children do receive far more from both parents when if is freely given and not stolen.

It is very likely that the custodial and the children would receive far more if they get away from the gov injustice and thievery of the child support system.

Parents that actually buy for their own children will buy nicer clothes, newer cars, better schools, everything is much improved by parents that are free to provide for their own children by the parents own standards. I have never seen it to be untrue.

But the gov child support system is a fraud and stealing and jail and slander it is is sinful to cooperate with the dirty thieves.

The misguided parenting laws and parenting police under child support get in the way of the parents and it divides the family unit and it stops the parents from actually parenting their own children.

If any custodial truly wants more help and better treatment of the children then resist or turn off the child support thievery and reunite the children to their separated parent.

Those that cling to the dirty thieving child support laws are unworthy.