Would Steny ever say anything like this?

[ylexot (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Plan B

As long as alcohol, gambling, and tobacco are legal, choice should be legal, also.

What is this "choice" of which you speak?

[Ken King (Premo)]

Originally Posted by JPC sr

The actions speak louder than the words.

Since Hoyer claims to be "pro-choice" and the abortions have been and are still now being performed (Doctors murdering babies) at an excellerated rate, and it will not decrease by any expected action of Hoyer then the actions speak louder when saying Hoyer is pro-choice and not pro-abortion because the words and the results do not add up.

In the USA a Representative that is pro-choice means murder more babies. We do not need to go down with the ship.

Hoyer is being a follower and not a leader that takes care of 5th District.

Hoyer brings in what Hoyer calls "jobs" but it is just overload and excess link HERE.

His own words brag about his dirty deeds because Hoyer does not know whom is is hurting.

Whether or not abortions are legal is a state issue governed by the application of Roe v. Wade, but between 1996 and 2000 the state of Maryland saw an 11% reduction in providers that carry out abortions, so how are the numbers being accelerated?

Question for you Mister Wizard, if you consider an abortion as murder what do you consider of those that have a miscarriage?

[awpitt (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Ken King

Whether or not abortions are legal is a state issue governed by the application of Roe v. Wade, but between 1996 and 2000 the state of Maryland saw an 11% reduction in providers that carry out abortions, so how are the numbers being accelerated?

Question for you Mister Wizard, if you consider an abortion as murder what do you consider of those that have a miscarriage?

Also, even if Roe v. Wade is ever overturned, abortion will still be legal in MD.

[JPC sr]

Originally Posted by Ken King

Whether or not abortions are legal is a state issue governed by the application of Roe v. Wade,

I do not see the issue so much as a legal question for States or the Federal gov,

but as a question of the USA not having a moral voice and no moral leadership.

Many politicians (like Bush) talk it but their hypocrisy is evident.

If I get the chance then I will fight the injustices and not just talk and pleadings.

Originally Posted by Ken King

but between 1996 and 2000 the state of Maryland saw an 11% reduction in providers that carry out abortions, so how are the numbers being accelerated?

The numbers are not reliable and numbers never tell the real story.

The 11% percent in providers probably means that the bigger Offices are taking over the smaller ones like in any other business.

The abortion business just happens to murder babies for profit.

As I have said often - the Doctors are the real criminals there.

Originally Posted by Ken King

Question for you Mister Wizard, if you consider an abortion as murder what do you consider of those that have a miscarriage?

This question is below you and I expect better.

A miscarriage is an accident and an unfortunate event and far different than an abortion.

[Ken King (Premo)]

Originally Posted by JPC sr

I do not see the issue so much as a legal question for States or the Federal gov,

but as a question of the USA not having a moral voice and no moral leadership.

Many politicians (like Bush) talk it but their hypocrisy is evident.

It isn't a legal question for the States or Fed? And what moral leadership do you refer, those that will leave a wife and child without support?

If I get the chance then I will fight the injustices and not just talk and pleadings. The numbers are not reliable and numbers never tell the real story.

Really, numbers usually tell a very exact story - like with elections.

The 11% percent in providers probably means that the bigger Offices are taking over the smaller ones like in any other business.-

Really, do you have any supporting data to show this?

The abortion business just happens to murder babies for profit.

Before murder must not ghere have been life? At what age of development does the government's interest of protecting life exceed a person's right of choice?

As I have said often - the Doctors are the real criminals there.

So every doctor that has performed the procedure is a criminal.

This question is below you and I expect better.

A miscarriage is an accident and an unfortunate event and far different than an abortion.

Expect from me, you know nothing of me and my beliefs on the matter. So you think that they all are accidents even when what caused the miscarriage could have been drinking, drugging, or willful acts to make one lose the pregnancy?

[This_person]

Originally Posted by mrweb

I think you answered this yourself, pro-choice is giving a woman the choice, hopefully an informed one, on whether or not to have an abortion. Pro-choice advocates a position of legalizing abortion, i.e., not making it illegal. It is possible be against abortion but pro-choice.

By allowing abortions to be legal, one is by definition pro-abortion. Pro the concept that taking a human life is okay, at least by law (as long as the mother wants to kill the baby). The "choice" is whether someone thinks it is legally okay to kill a human - but only sometimes (when the mother thinks it's okay, and it hasn't taken it's first breath alone yet).

[This_person]

Originally Posted by JPC sr

The super inflation in all aspects here in 5th District and particularly the high cost of housing is artificially imposed upon our area by the destructive greed driven growth orchestrated particularly by and through our misguided Representative Steny Hoyer.

I would protect and defend our area's infrastructure and stop the overloading.

I don't want to hear about Hoyer from you anymore than I want to hear about you from Hoyer, so let's leave him out of this.

You would protect and defend our area's infrastructure and stop the overloading - HOW? What specific plans do you have? What specific bill would you introduce, or law would you try to repeal regarding this (not regarding the financial abandonment of children)?

[This_person]

Originally Posted by Plan B

As long as alcohol, gambling, and tobacco are legal, choice should be legal, also. The Higher Law pro-life subscribes to will sort the issues...

Hoyer is an asset to MD. His suppot of choice re removal of fetuses reflects his constituency, like Rudy's does NYC, or McCain does AZ...

I notice that you still like to debate this issue as if it were religious. But, yet, you still haven't responded to this post:

Originally Posted by This_person

Of course the father has responsibility. There's no question to that. I thought you were saying that the mother has no responsibility when you say that when fathers do this and fathers do that, the abortions will stop.

Without, certainly.

The dictionary defines murder as:
mur·der Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[mur-der]
–noun
1. Law. the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law. In the U.S., special statutory definitions include murder committed with malice aforethought, characterized by deliberation or premeditation or occurring during the commission of another serious crime, as robbery or arson (first-degree murder), and murder by intent but without deliberation or premeditation

There's a life of another human being, covered under laws (like, when killing a pregnant woman you can be tried for TWO murders - see Scot Peterson), that is being killed, with aforethought, deliberation (it's a hard decision), and premeditation (ever hear of an "impulse" abortion? Me either).

Can you, with our without the Bible, show how it's NOT?Please, I'd love to read your source. I have my doubts that you have one, and I'd love to be proven wrong. I prefer non-partisan sources, as I'd deny anything else as biased either way.Can you show me a source for the reasons people do have them? I don't have an agenda here, I was going by the previous poster's claim that women have them because they can't afford their child.Show me someone who claims to be a non-sinner, and I'll show you a liar.May the Lord bless you and keep you......

Could you please reply to this?

[JPC sr]

Originally Posted by Ken King

It isn't a legal question for the States or Fed?

Yes it is a legal question for them, but it is the moral question that must be used to defy it and to break the legalization of abortion.

Originally Posted by Ken King

And what moral leadership do you refer, those that will leave a wife and child without support?

Defying the injustices of child support is the hight of virtue and morality.

Originally Posted by Ken King

Really, do you have any supporting data to show this?

The 11% closure of abortion providers is your data and not mine.

Even if there are fewer providers then it does not mean fewer abortions.

Originally Posted by Ken King

Before murder must not there have been life? At what age of development does the government's interest of protecting life exceed a person's right of choice?

In my opinion, the life of the baby begins at conception and even if the parents have the right to choose or not - the Doctors have no right to murder the babies.

Originally Posted by Ken King

So every doctor that has performed the procedure is a criminal.

Yes, I say all abortion Doctors are criminals even though our corrupt laws say they are legal.

It is the same as Hitler made murder legal until justice overthrew the criminals and then there were trials of crimes against humanity.

That is what we need to do to the criminal abortion Doctors here.

Originally Posted by Ken King

So you think that they all are accidents even when what caused the miscarriage could have been drinking, drugging, or willful acts to make one lose the pregnancy?

If the parent or others mis-use some means to purposely cause the pregnancy to miscarry then that is not what I mean by a miscarriage.

I do not say that common people causing a miscarriage on purpose would be considered as murder (probably just desperate), but if a professional (even illegal professional) were to cause a miscarriage on purpose then that Doctor would still be a murderer in my opinion.

[JPC sr]

Originally Posted by This_person

You would protect and defend our area's infrastructure and stop the overloading - HOW? What specific plans do you have? What specific bill would you introduce, or law would you try to repeal regarding this?

Hoyer is the one overloading our area with his greed growth.

To leave Hoyer out of the equation is to leave the source of the problem out.

Hoyer is not orchestrating the greed growth by any Bill or any law but by his aggressive wrong doing and Hoyer is abusing his authority as well as abusing 5th District.

Getting rid of Hoyer by voting me or voting the Republican in 5th District will get rid of the root of the problem by getting Hoyer out.