Elections and Junk.

[This_person]

Originally Posted by JPC sr

But I say to ONLY prosecute the outsider that actually adulterates the marriage and not the married spouse that messed up.
The married spouse does never get off free from reprecussions but under force of law the gov must protect the marriage and defend the family from immoral attacks from outside.

Yes, it's not the person who is tempted's fault, it's the temptress. The person who actually made the promise should not be held responsible, but someone who had nothing to do with the promise should bear the brunt of the blame.

Oh, wait, that's stupid. Never mind!

If some one comes into our house and steals stuff then we can blame the owner that left the door open and left the valuables exposed but the law punishes the thief.

See, when you say this, you make it sound like you understand. HAVING stuff would be temptation, like someone tempting the theif. Actually stealing is taking an action, like cheating on your spouse - the cheating spouse is the thief! But, someone, you twist it around. I wish I could get through your skull and understand what warped your thoughts so much.

Well look at what is left now. High divorce rates, broken homes, damaged families, children without their parent, custody battles, child support collection agencies,() and more.
We either defend marriages and protect families or else we watch our society deteriorate.

Are you speaking of people taking responsibility for correcting the society in which they live by raising their own actions? Or, are you talking about somehow legislating morality - your version thereof?

[JPC sr]

Originally Posted by This_person

Yes, it's not the person who is tempted's fault, it's the temptress. The person who actually made the promise should not be held responsible, but someone who had nothing to do with the promise should bear the brunt of the blame.

Oh, wait, that's stupid. Never mind!

See, when you say this, you make it sound like you understand. HAVING stuff would be temptation, like someone tempting the theif. Actually stealing is taking an action, like cheating on your spouse - the cheating spouse is the thief! But, someone, you twist it around. I wish I could get through your skull and understand what warped your thoughts so much.Are you speaking of people taking responsibility for correcting the society in which they live by raising their own actions? Or, are you talking about somehow legislating morality - your version thereof?

You can still blame your spouse and you can still kick people that are already down and you can still get divorces and you will always be able to keep criticizing everything that comes up.

Nobody and no law will ever stop your kind of self righteousness and I am not trying to do that either.

I am only making suggestions on how to improve things and to help strengthen marriages and families and I do not like the nasty way things are now.

[This_person]

Originally Posted by JPC sr

You can still blame your spouse

For what, for cheating on me? I do. I also blame myself for letting the marriage get to that point. However, it was at that point for me, too, and I didn't cheat. That's why I blame her. And, not the person with whom she cheated. See, she made her promise to me. He didn't, the government didn't. Thus, her failing to live up to her promise was her fault. Letting the marriage get to that point was both of our faults.

and you can still kick people that are already down

Whom are you claiming I'm kicking while down?

and you can still get divorces and you will always be able to keep criticizing everything that comes up.

Nobody and no law will ever stop your kind of self righteousness and I am not trying to do that either.

I am only making suggestions on how to improve things and to help strengthen marriages and families and I do not like the nasty way things are now.

And, thus, my question was what is your suggestion? To make a law, legislating morality (as you see it), or are you suggesting just that people start acting better? What, exactly, are you suggesting?

[JPC sr]

Originally Posted by This_person

For what, for cheating on me? I do. I also blame myself for letting the marriage get to that point. However, it was at that point for me, too, and I didn't cheat. That's why I blame her. And, not the person with whom she cheated. See, she made her promise to me. He didn't, the government didn't. Thus, her failing to live up to her promise was her fault. Letting the marriage get to that point was both of our faults.

The woman is the lesser vessal so that if we push them then they break.

Put pressure on and they fold.

It is not their weakness - it represents their value, link.

Originally Posted by This_person

Whom are you claiming I'm kicking while down?

You appear to do it every chance you get - to anyone for any reason.

Originally Posted by This_person

And, thus, my question was what is your suggestion?

At the moment some other poster suggested pre-marriage classes so the couple would be better prepared to make it work and make the marriage last long.

I like that idea very much.

Originally Posted by This_person

To make a law, legislating morality (as you see it), or are you suggesting just that people start acting better? What, exactly, are you suggesting?

I am saying that all people are morally weak and outsiders prey on the weaknesses and the vulnerabilities of married persons and so I say we need laws to help the married couple to remain faithful and moral while at the same time creating laws that would protect the marriage from being immorally violated by an outsider adulterer.

Now I can not do such a thing as our 5th District Congressman but if I won then I would have a podium or pulpit to preach such suggestions to those that do make the laws and to the general public.

Here we are just discussing the possibilities.

[godsbutterfly]

Originally Posted by This_person

Yes, it's not the person who is tempted's fault, it's the temptress. The person who actually made the promise should not be held responsible, but someone who had nothing to do with the promise should bear the brunt of the blame.

Oh, wait, that's stupid. Never mind!See, when you say this, you make it sound like you understand. HAVING stuff would be temptation, like someone tempting the theif. Actually stealing is taking an action, like cheating on your spouse - the cheating spouse is the thief! But, someone, you twist it around. I wish I could get through your skull and understand what warped your thoughts so much.Are you speaking of people taking responsibility for correcting the society in which they live by raising their own actions? Or, are you talking about somehow legislating morality - your version thereof?

I have debated this issue before with JPC. These are the same answers I received. I also mentioned the promises made before me and before the Lord. I asked how many times was I to forgive the thief being allowed into the store. It became another one of those vicious circles but you are welcome to try and see how you do of course. Good luck!

[MMDad]

Originally Posted by JPC sr

The woman is the lesser vessal so that if we push them then they break.

Now you're saying that women are too weak to resist adultery? What an incredibly sexist thing to say!

So, are you going to change your stance and just charge the man in all cases?

[This_person]

Originally Posted by JPC sr

The woman is the lesser vessal so that if we push them then they break.

So, the logical conclusion from this would be that you think it is only the man who can be wrong in this case? After all, if a husband is tempted by a "lesser vesal" who would break if we pushed them, she can never be at fault. Monica was not at fault, Bill was. I see.

Put pressure on and they fold. It is not their weakness - it represents their value, link.

Do you really think this of women? Especially what the link you provided says? If you do, I'd like to ensure it gets posted in "The Ladies Room"

I am saying that all people are morally weak and outsiders prey on the weaknesses and the vulnerabilities of married persons and so I say we need laws to help the married couple to remain faithful and moral while at the same time creating laws that would protect the marriage from being immorally violated by an outsider adulterer.

We have laws like that. When a husband or wife acts unfaithfully, or immorally, then the other spouse may divorce them, dividing property, ruining lives by the unfaithful and immoral spouse's actions. What more do we need?

Now I can not do such a thing as our 5th District Congressman but if I won then I would have a podium or pulpit to preach such suggestions to those that do make the laws and to the general public.

Here we are just discussing the possibilities.

You can't convince people on here of anything. Should you declare the sky blue, the night dark, and the year to have four seasons you'd be roundly attacked - because you're you. When you (rarely) state something true, no one will believe you, because it comes from you. You are soooooooo wrong on 99.9% of what you say - and so tirelessly defensive of everything you're wrong about - that no one will ever take you seriously. Your pulpit would only help anyone and everyone who disagrees with you.

[JPC sr]

Originally Posted by godsbutterfly

I have debated this issue before with JPC. These are the same answers I received. I also mentioned the promises made before me and before the Lord. I asked how many times was I to forgive the thief being allowed into the store. It became another one of those vicious circles but you are welcome to try and see how you do of course. Good luck!

Well I do believe that we need to promote more forgiveness and repentance and reconciliation and marriage counciling and more to try to save the families.

If the person repents each time then I say to forgive them 70 times 7 times.

Remember Hillary Clinton who has greater power and respect now because she saved her marriage instead of dumping the fool.

[This_person]

Originally Posted by godsbutterfly

I have debated this issue before with JPC. These are the same answers I received. I also mentioned the promises made before me and before the Lord. I asked how many times was I to forgive the thief being allowed into the store. It became another one of those vicious circles but you are welcome to try and see how you do of course. Good luck!

I read it then and was as shocked then as I am now. It's incredible to see what he'll say next.

BTW, I DID put it in The Ladies Room. I'm curious how people will respond.

[JPC sr]

Originally Posted by This_person

We have laws like that. When a husband or wife acts unfaithfully, or immorally, then the other spouse may divorce them, dividing property, ruining lives by the unfaithful and immoral spouse's actions. What more do we need?

We could do a lot more.

But when people settle for that quoted above then that is what they get.

And again I point to Hillary Clinton as an honorable example of defying that horrible method.