Pledge Allegiance to the Flag....

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by PsyOps

Okay, this is where a I write

All politicians are cheats and liars.

So what's your point? That Bush is the only one guilty of such lies? If this held any water he would have been impeached by now. If he is the incompetent liar that you make him out to be he would have been done a long time ago.

So you admit that Bush is a liar,I never said he was the only one we were talking about Bush.I never said Clinton did'nt lie but Clinton did'nt put us in Iraq Bush did and Bush lied to do it.I just think there is a difference about a lie about a BJ and ................goint to war.(but hey that;s just me)

[This_person]

Originally Posted by Giantone

So you admit that Bush is a liar,I never said he was the only one we were talking about Bush.I never said Clinton did'nt lie but Clinton did'nt put us in Iraq Bush did and Bush lied to do it.I just think there is a difference about a lie about a BJ and ................goint to war.(but hey that;s just me)

No, Clinton put us killing other people. But he had a GOOD reason (not bad intelligence), he wanted to distract people from his lying under oath and coercing others to do the same! That's a reason to kill people in other countries, get our soldiers killed, and reject the world's number one active terrorist several times (when he's handed to you on a silver platter), isn't it? After all, George Bush was just using the best information he had and doing the right thing with it, Clinton (since you brought him up) was trying to look out for himself at the expense of others.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by This_person

No, Clinton put us killing other people. But he had a GOOD reason (not bad intelligence), he wanted to distract people from his lying under oath and coercing others to do the same! That's a reason to kill people in other countries, get our soldiers killed, and reject the world's number one active terrorist several times (when he's handed to you on a silver platter), isn't it? After all, George Bush was just using the best information he had and doing the right thing with it, Clinton (since you brought him up) was trying to look out for himself at the expense of others.

You need facts and links and I did not bring up Clinton,you need to read some other posts in this thread.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Giantone

........I think people need to read this before they vote.











I'm not asking you to vote for McCain, but this is a nice story.

McCain's remarks about the Pledge of Allegiance!

In light of the recent appeals court ruling in California, with respect to the Pledge of Allegiance, the following recollection from Senator John McCain is very appropriate:

"The Pledge of Allegiance" - by Senator John McCain

As you may know, I spent five and one half years as a prisoner of war during the Vietnam War. In the early years of our imprisonment, the NVA kept us in solitary confinement or two or three to a cell. In 1971 the NVA moved us from these conditions of isolation into large rooms with as many as 30 to 40 men to a room.

This was, as you can imagine, a wonderful change and was a direct result of the efforts of millions of Americans on behalf of a few hundred POWs 10,000 miles from home.

One of the men who moved into my room was a young man named Mike Christian.

Mike came from a small town near Selma, Alabama. He didn't wear a pair of shoes until he was 13 years old. At 17, he enlisted in the US Navy. He later earned a commission by going to Officer Training School. Then he became a Naval Flight Officer and was shot down and captured in 1967. Mike had a keen and deep appreciation of the opportunities this country and our military provide for people who want to work and want to succeed.

As part of the change in treatment, the Vietnamese allowed some prisoners to receive packages from home. In some of these packages were handkerchiefs, scarves and other items of clothing.

Mike got himself a bamboo needle. Over a period of a couple of months, he created an American flag and sewed it on the inside of his shirt.

Every afternoon, before we had a bowl of soup, we would hang Mike's shirt on the wall of the cell and say the Pledge of Allegiance.

I know the Pledge of Allegiance may not seem the most important part of our day now, but I can assure you that in that stark cell it was indeed the most important and meaningful event.

One day the Vietnamese searched our cell, as they did periodically, and discovered Mike's shirt with the flag sewn inside, and removed it.

Tha t evening they returned, opened the door of the cell, and for the benefit of all of us, beat Mike Christian severely for the next couple of hours, then they opened the door of the cell and threw him in. We cleaned him up as well as we could.

The cell in which we lived had a concrete slab in the middle on which we slept, four naked light bulbs hung in each corner of the room.

As I said, we tried to clean up Mike as well as we could. After the excitement died down, I looked in the corner of the room, and sitting there beneath that dim light bulb with a piece of red cloth, another shirt and his bamboo needle, was my friend, Mike Christian. He was sitting there with his eyes almost shut from the beating he had received, making another American flag. He was not making the flag because it made Mike Christian feel better. He was making that flag because he knew how important it was to us to be able to Pledge our allegiance to our flag and country.

So the next time you say the Pledge of Allegiance, you must never forget the sacrifice and courage that thousands of Americans have made to build our nation and promote freedom around the world

You must remember our duty, our honor, and our country

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."


PASS THIS ON... and on... and on! You can even send it back to me, I don't mind, because its worth reading again.

The post that started this thread,I thnk some people forgot it.

[PsyOps]

Originally Posted by Giantone

So you admit that Bush is a liar,I never said he was the only one we were talking about Bush.I never said Clinton did'nt lie but Clinton did'nt put us in Iraq Bush did and Bush lied to do it.I just think there is a difference about a lie about a BJ and ................goint to war.(but hey that;s just me)

I admit politicians (to include Bush) will lie when it suits them to promote their political power. Clinton did this because he knew if the Paula Jones case that was running against him had played out he would have certainly been impeached and removed from office. The dems made it about sex and about Lewinski when in reality it was about lying under oath; a crime the left doesn't seem to think is very important; at least when it comes to protecting their own. A big injustice was done to Ms. Jones and she was refused her due process because of this lie. Perhaps you can't caompare the two but try telling that to Paula Jones.

I do not believe Bush lied about Iraq. This war has not played into Bush's political power. It has done just the opposite. If Bush had the power to lie about WMD and dupe everyone, and he KNEW there were really no WMD then he would have equally had the power to plant WMD in Iraq to make sure his lie stuck.

The bottom line... you anti-Bush people are obsessed with Bush. You believed he lied about WMD, you believe he is spying on us, you believe he is causing global warming and thus caused Hurricane Katrina, you believe he is responsible for the lack of response in New Orleans, you believe he is responsible for 911 (heck some even believe he planned and executed the attack). The left has become fanatical in their pursuit to pin every thing that goes wrong in this country on Bush. It has become more of a sport for some of you folks than an interest in understanding the truth.

[Giantone]

Whoe there fella............just blame me for the Kennedy assination and you've coverd everything.

I do not believe Bush lied about Iraq. This war has not played into Bush's political power. It has done just the opposite. If Bush had the power to lie about WMD and dupe everyone, and he KNEW there were really no WMD then he would have equally had the power to plant WMD in Iraq to make sure his lie stuck.

Please I have more respect for you than this.

The bottom line... you anti-Bush people are obsessed with Bush. You believed he lied about WMD, you believe he is spying on us, you believe he is causing global warming and thus caused Hurricane Katrina, you believe he is responsible for the lack of response in New Orleans, you believe he is responsible for 911 (heck some even believe he planned and executed the attack). The left has become fanatical in their pursuit to pin every thing that goes wrong in this country on Bush. It has become more of a sport for some of you folks than an interest in understanding the truth.

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Please....now you're just being dumb,find a post where I blame him for 9/11 or Katrina on Bush.He is responsable for lack of response...deal with it.....the left this the left that, for God's sake take some responsability and admit Bush is the worst President of all time.....I guess he has nothing to do with the recession either.

[PsyOps]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Whoe there fella............just blame me for the Kennedy assination and you've coverd everything.

Please I have more respect for you than this.


Please....now you're just being dumb,find a post where I blame him for 9/11 or Katrina on Bush.He is responsable for lack of response...deal with it.....the left this the left that, for God's sake take some responsability and admit Bush is the worst President of all time.....I guess he has nothing to do with the recession either.:coffee

Okay... you're not getting the point... There is a political movement out there that is bent on using just the kind of rhetoric you are using to blame the entire world's woes on Bush and the right wing. This movement isn't interested in facts or truth. The rely solely on unsubstantiated rhetoric. When you are devoid of that facts all you simply have to do is claim they lied. When you say it enough times and have the backing of big voices like the MSM, people begin to believe it. You have been sucked into this belief, at least in part.

I'm not saying you said anything about blaming Bush for all those other things; I am including you in with the crowd that claims these ridiculous things. And just as you believe you can claim you KNOW Bush lied I can equally claim that if he did and had so much influence and power over the everyone else he could have easily made sure that lie stuck by planting WMD. Both are equally stupid claims. If I’m president and am going to lie about something I am going to do whatever I can to make sure that lie is believed through the end.

[Giantone]

No there isn't and that's nothing but paranoia speaking.I don't blame the worlds woes just Americas woes on Bush!Your blind faith in a man who took into a war by lying is very,very sad.

A claim such as yours, and argument such as yours has no validity,no weight.........he lied and everyone knows it except you.As I have also proven he has lied about other things as well.

[PsyOps]

Originally Posted by Giantone

A claim such as yours, and argument such as yours has no validity,no weight.........he lied and everyone knows it except you.As I have also proven he has lied about other things as well.

You see, you prove my point. EVERYONE, except me knows it. This is the delusion of your belief. As much as I am not a Bush supporter I am at least willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that he was misinformed. Call it bad advisors, bad intel, or Saddam (the real liar) himself, your claim does not pan; because if it did he would have long since been impeached.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by PsyOps

You see, you prove my point. EVERYONE, except me knows it. This is the delusion of your belief. As much as I am not a Bush supporter I am at least willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that he was misinformed. Call it bad advisors, bad intel, or Saddam (the real liar) himself, your claim does not pan; because if it did he would have long since been impeached.

Only out of resepct for you ,then you would have to impeach ever politician that voted to go to war and they won't admit they were fooled by Bush.Look not only have I proven my statments to be true I have proven yours to be incorrect........unless there is something new you have found that says Bush did not lie but as I have provided links to that is not true.