The Child Support injustice.

[Tilted (Premo)]

JP, seriously, I'm telling you this for your own good. I'm not trying to be hurtful - I sincerely wish the best for you.

Let it go. You've been carrying the pain and bitterness long enough - it is time to let it go.

Your marriage didn't work, from what you've said (as that's all I have to go off of), it sounds like your wife didn't want you anymore - who knows why? We could speculate till the cows come home, but it doesn't matter. We could rattle off endless possible reasons, some of them emotionally biting and personally difficult to confront, some of them emotionally re-affirming and personally comforting to believe - it doesn't matter. She left you, or cheated on you, or you all broke up for whatever reason, and your 'family' was no more - at least not as you had desired it to be. That was not caused by the state. It was not caused by the state's child support enforcement system. It might not have seemed fair, and it might have been unfortunate - heck, it might even have been avoidable - but it wasn't something done to you by anyone other than yourself or your wife. No one else destroyed your family.

Now, I get that you were hurt. I get that you were emotionally frustrated. We've all been there at some point and to some degree - there's no shame in that. Life isn't about the situations we find ourselves in, it's about how we deal with those situations. I get that you were angry. You wanted to punish your wife by denying her financial support and making her life more difficult. I get that. I get how important that was to you - it was more important to you than taking care of your child, it was more important to you than your dignity, it was more important to you than staying out of jail. I get that. You were willing to cut off your nose to spite your face. I get that. It seems that you have harmed yourself a great deal in so doing, but that's in the past. I get that your anger at your wife was transplanted onto the child support enforcement system, because it dared to try to stop you from punishing your wife by not providing her with financial support. I get it. Really - we all do. But, I'm trying to suggest to you that it is not too late - you can still let it go. Let go of the anger and bitterness, and free up some space for the beautiful sensations and feelings and thoughts and experiences that the world will make available to you. Just let it go.

The child support system did not destroy your family - it just didn't.

Furthermore, whatever did - it just doesn't matter anymore - whatever happened, happened. That can't be changed by pretending that the fault for it is precisely embodied in some institution which you can now try to dismantle. That's delusional, and you need to let go of that delusion. Trust me on this, you will wake up a happier man the morning after you do. The world will smell better, it will taste better, it will look better. Your world will expand and possibilities will exist where before they had not. Please, forget about what everybody else thinks and do it for yourself - LET IT GO.

[VoteJP]

Originally Posted by TurboK9

People like me... You must mean hard working, responsible, educated Americans who want everyone to pull their own weight, and to be responsible parents and citizens. :)

I mean self righteous people like you, that speak as if your are better than others, and particularly that you are a better parent than other parents, and it is just your misguided and inflated ego.

And that is no meant as personal to you as I simply have to fight against your kind of belligerence.

Originally Posted by TurboK9

"Hateful and ignorant". LOL. Sure, JP. Please explain to me how demanding that parents live up to their responsibilities is hateful? Or how not wanting to have to use taxpayer dollars to provide for someone else's children (except in extreme cases where the parents are unable... not unwilling or too lazy) is hateful? How is it that believing that we have a responsibility to provide for our biological children is ignorant, and how is believing that parents need to sacrifice and put off reward to do so is ignorant?

That is wrong because you and the State laws are not to be the "big-Daddy" to other people or to other parents.

The big-Daddy crud needs to be stopped.

Originally Posted by TurboK9

LOL. You are a card. "Need every vote". LOL. You dang sure need more than you're going to get, I can promise you that!

Yes, I am happy that you too appreciate the humor in it.

There is no need to get too serious in our discussions.

And when I move into the Governor's Mansion then you will not need to eat so many of your words.

Originally Posted by TurboK9

Now, can you cite a single factual and verifiable case where a 'deadbeat' parent was jailed for non payment of child support, where the parent was below the poverty line and suffering a financial hardship due to no fault of their own? IE severe medical issues, lay off, etc, and where they did not have assets they could have liquidated to pay the support? Just one bonafide, verifiable case? Not an "I heard" or a "me / my son / nephew / cousin / friend". Bet you can't.

My position is that every parent with not even one exception was jailed for unjust reasons even when the parents themselves do not know it. And a lot of the parents see themselves as guilty when it is just that the law is perverted and unjust.

And it is not my point to pick up one or a hundred particular cases because it is a matter of overriding principle and policy that makes so every parent under those laws are mistreated and abused whether they are seen to deserve it or if they are completely innocent.

I refuse to play the divide-and-rule game that some parents are innocent while you go after the evil parents because I know that every one of the parents are getting cheated and violated by the laws.

And I feel I must point out that the SMC Circuit Court refuses to allow public scrutiny of the Child Support cases claiming the Court is protecting the "privacy" when the Court is only hiding the record of the immoral thievery by the Court.

But for the record here is an interesting case of the injustice done in SMC Child support enforcement : http://www.courts.state.md.us/opinio...000/116a99.pdf and it is a long document so you might want to start at the top of page 14 titled as "DISCUSSION" because that marks the High Court's actual decision.

Originally Posted by TurboK9

Please explain to me how it is just for a child to live off meager PA funding while daddy drives around in his new pick up truck and goes home to his new house to watch his 54" TV? Cuz' that's what you are advocating.

The PA (Public Assistance) benefits is not meager at all. In fact the PA gives enough and so very much both to the custodial and to the children that the State keeps the Child Support loot even if the parents (Daddies) pay the Child Support or not.

So it can not be a meager PA when the State keeps the c/s and does not give it to the families on PA.

And as the law is now the Child Support does attack the separated parents and so the law will steal the parents' truck and paycheck and the 54" TV too, so your example sounds justified but it is an untrue scenario. And if the Child Support system was eliminated then it is still an unjust scenario that other parents are not as righteous as you pretend to be.

I say it is wrong to make such junk into our laws and to put parents in jail because people like you do not trust thy fellow parents.

[VoteJP]

Originally Posted by Tilted

JP, seriously, I'm telling you this for your own good. I'm not trying to be hurtful - I sincerely wish the best for you.
Let it go. You've been carrying the pain and bitterness long enough - it is time to let it go.
Your marriage didn't work, from what you've said (as that's all I have to go off of), it sounds like your wife didn't want you anymore - who knows why?
That was not caused by the state. It was not caused by the state's child support enforcement system.
No one else destroyed your family.
Now, I get that you were hurt. I get that you were emotionally frustrated.
I get that your anger at your wife was transplanted onto the child support enforcement system, because it dared to try to stop you from punishing your wife by not providing her with financial support. I get it.
The child support system did not destroy your family - it just didn't.
Furthermore, whatever did - it just doesn't matter anymore - whatever happened, happened.

I do not blame or accuse the State or the Child Support for breaking up my marriage, and not for destroying my family, and I am not emotionally frustrated, and I am not angry at my ex-wife.

I am not trying here to seek revenge, and if I were then I would use the weapons of revenge - but no.

I am really just trying to be a public servant, as in serving-the-public by addressing the Child Support problem, and I have nothing to gain from Child Support reform at all.

This is not about me or about my life and not about anything concerning me.

[LusbyMom]

Originally Posted by VoteJP

I certainly know that I am against people like you, and I do not need every vote to be elected, and I say you give us all an excellent example of the equation concerning Child Support and my position.

Parents have a choice of doing as you expect in your quote above, or do as I say and defy you and defy the entire Child Support system and fight it.

The parents and families can become slaves to that crap as you expect, or become free as I offer and direct.

And I do not say that the parents must fight alone because people of conscience like myself that are not involved with Child Support need to help out our society by helping the parents to fight the hateful and ignorant claims of yours and of the Child Support system.

Your claims are as fraudulent as the claims of Child Support - and I defy you both.

Maybe you can hang out with all the other deadbeats after child support court.. and you can get their vote.

[hvp05]

Originally Posted by VoteJP

I am completely and absolutely correct on this subject and any argument contrary will always be futile.

If this is true, why do you insist on continuing to pound the point instead of shutting up?

I am on the high ground and that is why all fail that argue against my platform.

And if this is true, why are you not currently holding a SMC Commissioner's seat or Hoyer's HoR seat?

(No reply is necessary because even if you do reply it will be digressing and false.)

I am amazed that you are still going, Jimmy. Not in an admiring way, of course, but more of a circus sideshow way. Anyone who does wish to get into it with you need only search on your posts from your previous election runs... it's easy to see the thousands of times you have already been proven incorrect, even a bona fide liar, on just about everything.

[TurboK9]

Originally Posted by VoteJP

I mean self righteous people like you, that speak as if your are better than others, and particularly that you are a better parent than other parents, and it is just your misguided and inflated ego.

And that is no meant as personal to you as I simply have to fight against your kind of belligerence.

Haha! I differ in my opinion and so I am self righteous... LOL. But then, yes, I do think I am a better parent. Because I am parenting. An absentee parent isn't much of a parent, by choice or not. They simply are not doing the job.

That is wrong because you and the State laws are not to be the "big-Daddy" to other people or to other parents.

The big-Daddy crud needs to be stopped.

How is that an answer to the question?

Yes, I am happy that you too appreciate the humor in it.

There is no need to get too serious in our discussions.

And when I move into the Governor's Mansion then you will not need to eat so many of your words.

Good luck with that.

My position is that every parent with not even one exception was jailed for unjust reasons even when the parents themselves do not know it. And a lot of the parents see themselves as guilty when it is just that the law is perverted and unjust.

And it is not my point to pick up one or a hundred particular cases because it is a matter of overriding principle and policy that makes so every parent under those laws are mistreated and abused whether they are seen to deserve it or if they are completely innocent.

I refuse to play the divide-and-rule game that some parents are innocent while you go after the evil parents because I know that every one of the parents are getting cheated and violated by the laws.

And I feel I must point out that the SMC Circuit Court refuses to allow public scrutiny of the Child Support cases claiming the Court is protecting the "privacy" when the Court is only hiding the record of the immoral thievery by the Court.

But for the record here is an interesting case of the injustice done in SMC Child support enforcement : http://www.courts.state.md.us/opinio...000/116a99.pdf and it is a long document so you might want to start at the top of page 14 titled as "DISCUSSION" because that marks the High Court's actual decision.

How convenient to simply dodge the question.

I also found this interesting, being that it reinforces my position, in your PDF...

"As these cases, and many others that preceded them, illustrate, it may be
frustrating to judges and masters to have to deal with people who appear to be deliberately ignoring their child-support obligations, by spending available funds for other purposes, by
voluntary impoverishment, by refusing to obtain steady employment, or by other techniques
—people who return time and again with excuses that the judge or master finds incredible or inadequate and who thus seem to flaunt their defiance of properly entered court orders."

Interesting that the court holds the same opinion of these people as I. I especially like the one guy with 4 kids by 3 different women. Nice. What a winner!

The PA (Public Assistance) benefits is not meager at all. In fact the PA gives enough and so very much both to the custodial and to the children that the State keeps the Child Support loot even if the parents (Daddies) pay the Child Support or not. To pay back the states coffers for what is being provide, of course.
So it can not be a meager PA when the State keeps the c/s and does not give it to the families on PA. If the state provides $1800 a month and the CS is $500 a month, the $500 SHOULD go to offset the state's contribution.

I don't know what YOUR definition of meager is, but I guarantee you the people on public assistance are well below the poverty line. Now, if the child support exceeds the states aid for the childs needs, then yes, keeping it is wrong. But, since a typical 2 bedroom apartment costs more than $500 a month alone, plus of course food, clothes, money, medical... very very few CS payments will ever exceed that.

And as the law is now the Child Support does attack the separated parents and so the law will steal the parents' truck and paycheck and the 54" TV too, so your example sounds justified but it is an untrue scenario. And if the Child Support system was eliminated then it is still an unjust scenario that other parents are not as righteous as you pretend to be.

Not if that stuff is in someone elses name they won't, Mommy, girlfriend, etc. Not if you jump state. You aren't really that naive, are you? Here we go with the righteousness again. I don't think I'm any better than any other parent doing their best to support their kids. Let me say it again, I only have a problem with those who willfully dodge. Why would you even argue that? See, that's what really blows my mind. You are advocating for those who choose...CHOOSE to not financially support their children. Yes. I do think I'm a better parent than people who CHOOSE not to support their kids. If that makes me self-righteous, so be it.

I say it is wrong to make such junk into our laws and to put parents in jail because people like you do not trust thy fellow parents.

Here we go with the 'people like' me again... Trust? It's not a trust issue. If you aren't taking care of your kids, you aren't a 'fellow parent'. That's like calling my neighbor, who is a teacher, my fellow engineer. You have to do it to be it. Having a biological child does not make you a parent. You have to raise it too.

[VoteJP]

Originally Posted by hvp05

If this is true, why do you insist on continuing to pound the point instead of shutting up?

This is a very interesting subject to discuss and to learn more about.

And we are going to completely change the thieving Child Support system and that is exciting too.

Originally Posted by hvp05

And if this is true, why are you not currently holding a SMC Commissioner's seat or Hoyer's HoR seat?

I do not want to be a little cheese when I can be the big Governor - duh.

Originally Posted by hvp05

(No reply is necessary because even if you do reply it will be digressing and false.)

You never were any fun, and you always miss the humor in everything.

This is not just a challenging and cool adventure, but it also a fun and enjoyable trip too.

Originally Posted by hvp05

I am amazed that you are still going, Jimmy. Not in an admiring way, of course, but more of a circus sideshow way. Anyone who does wish to get into it with you need only search on your posts from your previous election runs... it's easy to see the thousands of times you have already been proven incorrect, even a bona fide liar, on just about everything.

It is sad that you do not understand what is in front of your eyes.

And I do not know how to cure the blind.

Try the "Tao-Te-Ching" as it tells of winning-by-losing as a great way.

[VoteJP]

Originally Posted by TurboK9

Haha! I differ in my opinion and so I am self righteous... LOL. But then, yes, I do think I am a better parent. Because I am parenting. An absentee parent isn't much of a parent, by choice or not. They simply are not doing the job.

My point is that we need to assist the other parents to be better parents and stop the punishing of parents as we do now.

By slandering the parents and degrading the parents and stealing their money then the laws destroy the family unit and it makes the situation far worse then it needs to be.

Help parents and stop punishing parents as that is the key.

Originally Posted by TurboK9

How is that an answer to the question?

Because the Child Support laws are in themselves wrong and abusive and not some small particulars within the Child Support laws.

Child Support is just stealing, and there is no proper way to steal.

Originally Posted by TurboK9

Interesting that the court holds the same opinion of these people as I.

The Court is only interpreting the law and it is not equating anything of truth or justice or right from wrong.

The Court itself is corrupted by those ignorant Child Support laws.

Originally Posted by TurboK9

I especially like the one guy with 4 kids by 3 different women. Nice. What a winner!

An alpha-male.

Originally Posted by TurboK9

I don't know what YOUR definition of meager is, but I guarantee you the people on public assistance are well below the poverty line. Now, if the child support exceeds the states aid for the childs needs, then yes, keeping it is wrong. But, since a typical 2 bedroom apartment costs more than $500 a month alone, plus of course food, clothes, money, medical... very very few CS payments will ever exceed that.

Public Assistance is given to the custodial and not to the children, just as Child Support is only given to the custodial and not to the children.

So Child Support is not to be equated in the custodial support - but it is being done that way and it distorts the reality.

Child Support is suppose to exceed the custodials' needs because it is said to be for the children and not to support the custodial.

So again the PA programs that takes the c/s shows the Child Support is a big pack of lies.

Originally Posted by TurboK9

Not if that stuff is in someone elses name they won't, Mommy, girlfriend, etc. Not if you jump state. You aren't really that naive, are you? Here we go with the righteousness again. I don't think I'm any better than any other parent doing their best to support their kids. Let me say it again, I only have a problem with those who willfully dodge. Why would you even argue that? See, that's what really blows my mind. You are advocating for those who choose...CHOOSE to not financially support their children. Yes. I do think I'm a better parent than people who CHOOSE not to support their kids. If that makes me self-righteous, so be it.

No, all the children are all fine and provided to overflowing, what I say is that I agree with parents that refuse to pay the thieving Child Support because the Child Support does not support the children and it is immoral stolen money.

Originally Posted by TurboK9

Here we go with the 'people like' me again... Trust? It's not a trust issue. If you aren't taking care of your kids, you aren't a 'fellow parent'. That's like calling my neighbor, who is a teacher, my fellow engineer. You have to do it to be it. Having a biological child does not make you a parent. You have to raise it too.

You are wrong in this regard, and the 2 biological parents are the child's only parents.

Everything else is untrue.

[VoteJP]

Originally Posted by LusbyMom

Maybe you can hang out with all the other deadbeats after child support court.. and you can get their vote.

I hear from "sources" that some of the police seem to have the idea that I am some how behind the phone bomb threats at the SMC Courthouse because it happens usually on each of the big Child Support processing days.

It is probably to be accepted as flattery to me since I am the most outspoken opponent of their thieving Child Support, but I am not the kind that makes baseless threats without fulfilling them.

My own perspective is that the wave of phone threats is only the first baby-steps for the coming rebellion against the dirty Child Support thieves.

Of course when I do get elected as Governor then I will completely stop the need for violent rebellion because after my election then I will put an end to the ignorance of Child Support.

[kwillia]

Originally Posted by VoteJP

I hear from "sources" that some of the police seem to have the idea that I am some how behind the phone bomb threats at the SMC Courthouse because it happens usually on each of the big Child Support processing days.

It is probably to be accepted as flattery to me since I am the most outspoken opponent of their thieving Child Support, but I am not the kind that makes baseless threats without fulfilling them.

My own perspective is that the wave of phone threats is only the first baby-steps for the coming rebellion against the dirty Child Support thieves.

Of course when I do get elected as Governor then I will completely stop the need for violent rebellion because after my election then I will put an end to the ignorance of Child Support.

Quoted for the authorities to reference later...