The Child Support injustice.

[This_person]

Originally Posted by bcp

Figures.
I finally agree with a statment he makes,, and he isnt the one that made it.
shoulda known better

[CountryLady]

Originally Posted by VoteJP

It would be necessary to view the horses with some empathy to know that they are not free to express their own feelings, and if any horse attempts to buck or resist then the human masters use greater brutality to force the horse to act as a better slave servant to you.
You may be acting friendly to the horse but you are not a friend of the horse when you use the animal as your slave servant.

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THIS IS OF TOPIC AN SHOULD BE IN ANOTHER FORUM/THREAD ENTIRELY!!!
Well JP, I know I am wasting my time and breath but here it goes.

Given your age, I can see why your perception of horse training would be a bit skewed. But you are living in the here and now, and if you are making comments about things such as horses (and child support), you really should educate yourself prior to making such comments (although that has never stopped you before). I invite you to come to the more appropriate forum to discuss this perception of yours. But you should be warned, I feel that the horse peeps would probably rip you to shreds.

A great deal of empathy goes into training horses. It is important to understand why horses react the way that they do both within and away from the heard. When horses offer a buck while you are on their back, there is always a question of why? But why do they buck while they are in the field playing with their heard mates? What about horses that never offer to buck while you are on their back?

Your statement, “human masters use greater brutality to force the horse to act as a better slave servant,” is really out of place in today’s time of “natural horseman ship.” The horse and rider is one of a team mentality, not that of a slave and servant.

You maybe should think about using a little empathy with regard to your children, whom you abandoned. They didn't ask you to bring them into the world. But you did that together with your mate. Put yourself in their shoes. You have the responsibility to take care of your children. That sense of FAMILY is what sets us (humans) apart from the animal world. And while, at times, the government does seem to interfer with "Family," there are times where their power is needed to ensure that people own up to their responsibility (and even then, sometimes the system is a failure). I do believe there needs to be some reform, but I am convinced that you are incapeable of doing it in any reasonable way.

[VoteJP]

Originally Posted by This_person

Jimmy, I couldn't help but notice you didn't answer any of this.

There is only one question on that post and I figured I was doing you a favor by letting it fade away, but I will answer it since you insist, as to the rest of your posting I see as irrelevant and no questions and no response needed from me, IMO.

So, your question link it HERE is confused because I was talking about "Feed the Children" which means outside of the USA where the entire family and whole populations are starving and famine or war and it is not the same equation in third World situations.

In those Countries the Parents and children and everyone is in hard shape and there needs are NOT filled to overflowing as it is here. So in those places if they "Feed the Children" and not the parents then they are effectively killing the parents while saving the children which destroys the family unit - thus my point there.

So claiming to help the children when harming the parents is a similar example of our own USA Child Support system that functions on a similar misguided mentality that our laws can help children while harming the child's parent(s) and that destroys the family unit which is non productive.

The correct way of helping children is by helping their parents and supporting the family as a unit.

Whenever a parent gets excluded then a part of the child is damaged and alienated.

[This_person]

Originally Posted by VoteJP

Whenever a parent gets excluded then a part of the child is damaged and alienated.

So you would agree then that any parent who purposely puts themselves in jail in a tantrum is damaging their child?

[hvp05 (Premo)]

Originally Posted by CountryLady

A great deal of empathy goes into training horses.

You meant sympathy (showing compassion even when you do not totally understand someone's situation). Unless you have been "trained"... and ridden. And if you have, you'll have to take that discussion to somebody's private forum.

Your statement, “human masters use greater brutality to force the horse to act as a better slave servant,” is really out of place in today’s time of “natural horseman ship.”

Ironic that you started this thread with the "beating a dead horse" smilie.

You maybe should think about using a little empathy with regard to your children, whom you abandoned.

To his defense, he only abandoned one child. That's better, see?

Originally Posted by This_person

So you would agree then that any parent who purposely puts themselves in jail in a tantrum is damaging their child?

Good thing you phrased it as a question... otherwise he could not answer. Now he can...

[VoteJP]

Originally Posted by This_person

So you would agree then that any parent who purposely puts themselves in jail in a tantrum is damaging their child?

It is my understanding that the jail is not a Hotel and no one can put one self in jail and it has to be done by a due process.

And a "tantrum" is not really a crime so that would be an improper arrest if it does ever happen.

And there are many parents in jail now for every sort of crime and reasons, and I do say that every child is indeed damaged by having a parent incarcerated, but the child might not be alienated from an incarcerated parent if the custodial raises the child properly.

And I guess that you mean having a parent in jail because of the Child Support laws, and for that it is the law that is slandering the parents and in those cases the custodial would need to teach the children to disregard the violent degradation done to their parent child relationship and honor thy parent in spite of the law.

[VoteJP]

Originally Posted by CountryLady

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THIS IS OF TOPIC AN SHOULD BE IN ANOTHER FORUM/THREAD ENTIRELY!!!
Well JP, I know I am wasting my time and breath

I do not intend to discuss horse abuse on the "Horse" forum, as it is a side issue for me that I leave to the PETA organization.

Originally Posted by CountryLady

And while, at times, the government does seem to interfere with "Family," there are times where their power is needed to ensure that people own up to their responsibility (and even then, sometimes the system is a failure). I do believe there needs to be some reform, but I am convinced that you are incapable of doing it in any reasonable way.

The Child Support system has failed and it is doomed to become a far bigger problem, but few people see it coming.

I saw a new report in the Nov 5th County Times newspaper link HERE (see page 12, bottom far left side) and a 36 year old father is put into jail for Child Support and he tries to escape so now the father is a criminal parent because the thieving Child Support turns parents into criminals.

This is what your Parenting Police force does to our community families.

[This_person]

Originally Posted by VoteJP

It is my understanding that the jail is not a Hotel and no one can put one self in jail and it has to be done by a due process.

No, one can choose an act that is illegal, then admit to it. That's choosing to go to jail.

[VoteJP]

Originally Posted by This_person

No, one can choose an act that is illegal, then admit to it. That's choosing to go to jail.

If you will just look above in my posting #307 and there is a real life case and no imaginary story of parents putting them selves into jail.

There is an active account of a parent turned into a criminal by the thieving Child Support process.

Now you can blame it on him and how he put him self into crime and into jail, but if the parent will come to me then I will show him how to fight back in far more effective ways and he will not have to bow down to your kind of lies.

[bcp (Premo)]

Originally Posted by VoteJP

If you will just look above in my posting #307 and there is a real life case and no imaginary story of parents putting them selves into jail.

There is an active account of a parent turned into a criminal by the thieving Child Support process.

Now you can blame it on him and how he put him self into crime and into jail, but if the parent will come to me then I will show him how to fight back in far more effective ways and he will not have to bow down to your kind of lies.

question JP.
Do you think that forcing people to pay high taxes to insure that the lowest earners, or non workers are covered with health care is stealing and unjust?