The Child Support injustice.

[VoteJP]

A significant point of injustice in the Child Support Laws is that when a parent is brought to Court for failure to pay the c/s then the question of do they plead "Guilty" or "Not Guilty" only means did they pay the child support or not?

If the Child Support was proved to have been paid then the parent becomes NOT GUILTY, and if the child support was not paid then the parents are GUILTY.

So in the c/s cases there really is no pleading of "guilty or not guilty" because if they do not have the cash paid then the parents are always GUILTY.

Therefore the parents can not give any defense as in explaining that they are dead-broke, or crippled injured, were Hospitalized or comatose, no explanations of being unemployed or laid off, had no money, none of that is acceptable and the Court Judge will tell any parent to shut-up that kind of defense because it is all inadmissible to the Court and the only ONLY question of guilt is did the parent pay or not?

The law is created that way so then the Court can NOT decide any account of justice or right from wrong and the parents are thereby denied the ability to give any honest defense and as such it is always an unjust procedure, and the penalty is either 3 years in State prison or 5 years in Federal prison just for failure to pay with no regard for the reasons or for the truth. And if the parent did have any assets or property or bank accounts then the law can and will pillage and plunder any assets available before the parents ever get to the Court, and in fact if any of the parents do raise the money and pay the Child Support then the parent will not go to jail and the Court proceedings will be terminated immediately upon payment because it is only concerned with taking the parents' money, and the Court serves as just an unreasonable collection tool for the single purpose of forcibly collecting cold cash.

And one might think that if the parent does pay the Child Support instead of going to jail that this proves they were "deadbeats" that were just holding out - but no. When faced with incarceration the parents will often sell their last possessions, or their own family members (the children's extended family) will very often pay the Child Support demands in order to stop their loved one from going to jail. It really is the same old process of the "Debtor's Prison" where the debtor's family would pay the debt to get their loved ones out of those prisons, so here again the children are compromised by stealing the family's money and calling it support of those same children when everyone concerned can see it is all a damned lie, because the paying parent really was dead-broke and it was their family that got legally robbed by the c/s system.

Sad story but very real indeed.

[mickinmd]

I am happy you were arrested. I am happy you spent time in jail. I am happy your life has been ruined by your attitude toward the support of your children. I am saddened that your kids are having so many difficulties in life that I directly attribute to the pos you are.

[bcp (Premo)]

A significant point of the injustuce in the traffic laws is that when a speeder is brought to court for speeding, then the question of do they plead "Guilty" or "Not Guilty" only means did they speed or not.

if the Speeder was proved to have not been speeding, then the speeder becomes NOT GUILTY, and if the speeder was speeding, then the speeder is GUILTY.

[bcp (Premo)]

A significant point of the injustice of the vehicle code laws is that when a scofflaw is brought to court for illegally operating a vehicle tagged as Historic, then the question of do they plead "Guilty" or "Not Guilty" only means did the illegally operate that vehicle or not.

If the Illegal operator was proven not to have been in violation, they are NOT GUILTY, and if the illegal operator was operating illegally, then the illegal operator is GUILTY.


This works on many levels.

ban all laws.

[VoteJP]

Originally Posted by bcp

A significant point of the injustuce in the traffic laws is that when a speeder is brought to court for speeding, then the question of do they plead "Guilty" or "Not Guilty" only means did they speed or not.

if the Speeder was proved to have not been speeding, then the speeder becomes NOT GUILTY, and if the speeder was speeding, then the speeder is GUILTY.

It is not the same at all.

In Child Support a parents is put in jail simply for being poor which means the parents has done nothing to merit a crime and thereby guilty of nothing.

A person speeding is in fact physically doing a crime.

And in violent crimes like murder than the accused "Defendant" can argue that it was done in self defense, or the death was an accident, or some one else killed the person, or temporary insanity, and other forms of legal defense in a Court of law.

It is a huge big difference in c/s cases, and an unjust difference.

[mickinmd]

Originally Posted by VoteJP

It is not the same at all.

In Child Support a parents is put in jail simply for being poor which means the parents has done nothing to merit a crime and thereby guilty of nothing.

A person speeding is in fact physically doing a crime.

And in violent crimes like murder than the accused "Defendant" can argue that it was done in self defense, or the death was an accident, or some one else killed the person, or temporary insanity, and other forms of legal defense in a Court of law.

It is a huge big difference in c/s cases, and an unjust difference.

I am happy you were arrested. I am happy you spent time in jail. I am happy your life has been ruined by your attitude toward the support of your children. I am saddened that your kids are having so many difficulties in life that I directly attribute to the pos you are.

[Roberta]

Originally Posted by VoteJP

A significant point of injustice in the Child Support Laws is that when a parent is brought to Court for failure to pay the c/s then the question of do they plead "Guilty" or "Not Guilty" only means did they pay the child support or not?

If the Child Support was proved to have been paid then the parent becomes NOT GUILTY, and if the child support was not paid then the parents are GUILTY.

So in the c/s cases there really is no pleading of "guilty or not guilty" because if they do not have the cash paid then the parents are always GUILTY.

Therefore the parents can not give any defense as in explaining that they are dead-broke, or crippled injured, were Hospitalized or comatose, no explanations of being unemployed or laid off, had no money, none of that is acceptable and the Court Judge will tell any parent to shut-up that kind of defense because it is all inadmissible to the Court and the only ONLY question of guilt is did the parent pay or not?

The law is created that way so then the Court can NOT decide any account of justice or right from wrong and the parents are thereby denied the ability to give any honest defense and as such it is always an unjust procedure, and the penalty is either 3 years in State prison or 5 years in Federal prison just for failure to pay with no regard for the reasons or for the truth. And if the parent did have any assets or property or bank accounts then the law can and will pillage and plunder any assets available before the parents ever get to the Court, and in fact if any of the parents do raise the money and pay the Child Support then the parent will not go to jail and the Court proceedings will be terminated immediately upon payment because it is only concerned with taking the parents' money, and the Court serves as just an unreasonable collection tool for the single purpose of forcibly collecting cold cash.

And one might think that if the parent does pay the Child Support instead of going to jail that this proves they were "deadbeats" that were just holding out - but no. When faced with incarceration the parents will often sell their last possessions, or their own family members (the children's extended family) will very often pay the Child Support demands in order to stop their loved one from going to jail. It really is the same old process of the "Debtor's Prison" where the debtor's family would pay the debt to get their loved ones out of those prisons, so here again the children are compromised by stealing the family's money and calling it support of those same children when everyone concerned can see it is all a damned lie, because the paying parent really was dead-broke and it was their family that got legally robbed by the c/s system.

Sad story but very real indeed.

What kind of DRUGS did you take in your youth? Your line of thinking is obviously a direct result of mind alternating drugs. We need to know so they can be super stressed as a big NO NO to the youth of today. Thanks for being a POSTER ADULT!!

[LusbyMom (Premo)]

Originally Posted by VoteJP

A significant point of injustice in the Child Support Laws is that when a parent is brought to Court for failure to pay the c/s then the question of do they plead "Guilty" or "Not Guilty" only means did they pay the child support or not?
If they failed to pay they are guilty.

If the Child Support was proved to have been paid then the parent becomes NOT GUILTY, and if the child support was not paid then the parents are GUILTY.

So in the c/s cases there really is no pleading of "guilty or not guilty" because if they do not have the cash paid then the parents are always GUILTY.

Therefore the parents can not give any defense as in explaining that they are dead-broke, or crippled injured, were Hospitalized or comatose, no explanations of being unemployed or laid off, had no money, none of that is acceptable and the Court Judge will tell any parent to shut-up that kind of defense because it is all inadmissible to the Court and the only ONLY question of guilt is did the parent pay or not?
You can explain anything you want, you are offered a public defender or you can get a lawyer. You can explain to the judge if you are crippled or have been in the hospital etc... You can also file for a modification

The law is created that way so then the Court can NOT decide any account of justice or right from wrong and the parents are thereby denied the ability to give any honest defense and as such it is always an unjust procedure, and the penalty is either 3 years in State prison or 5 years in Federal prison just for failure to pay with no regard for the reasons or for the truth. And if the parent did have any assets or property or bank accounts then the law can and will pillage and plunder any assets available before the parents ever get to the Court, and in fact if any of the parents do raise the money and pay the Child Support then the parent will not go to jail and the Court proceedings will be terminated immediately upon payment because it is only concerned with taking the parents' money, and the Court serves as just an unreasonable collection tool for the single purpose of forcibly collecting cold cash.
I'ts not about taking the deadbeats money. It's about SUPPORTING THE CHILD... hence the words CHILD SUPPORT

And one might think that if the parent does pay the Child Support instead of going to jail that this proves they were "deadbeats" that were just holding out - but no. When faced with incarceration the parents will often sell their last possessions, or their own family members (the children's extended family) will very often pay the Child Support demands in order to stop their loved one from going to jail. It really is the same old process of the "Debtor's Prison" where the debtor's family would pay the debt to get their loved ones out of those prisons, so here again the children are compromised by stealing the family's money and calling it support of those same children when everyone concerned can see it is all a damned lie, because the paying parent really was dead-broke and it was their family that got legally robbed by the c/s system.
Boohoo you gotta sell your possessions? SO WHAT. You created a child you take care of the child. No matter what it takes you should make sure your kid is taken care of. Their is no excuse for a parent to be a deadbeat. The custodial parent has no option to support their kid do they? Someone has to house, feed, clothe the child.
Sad story but very real indeed.
What is a sad story is a pathetic loser deadbeat parent who choses not to support the children they created. Sorry but their are jobs out there.. You can flip burgers or wrap tacos.. whatever it takes.

You gotta pay child support

[Tigerlily]

JPC,
You post all of these threads about the unjustice that you have been dealt. So what if the mother of your kids just dropped them off at your place, gave them a big hug and hopped on a plane to never never land. Would you still whine an cry about your injustice then? I think you all would be the first in line to the STS bus to L-town to file for whatever you could get from Joe and jane taxpayer. Do the world a favor and shut up or get a JOB!!!

[daisycreek]

Originally Posted by VoteJP

A significant point of injustice in the Child Support Laws is that when a parent is brought to Court for failure to pay the c/s then the question of do they plead "Guilty" or "Not Guilty" only means did they pay the child support or not?

If the Child Support was proved to have been paid then the parent becomes NOT GUILTY, and if the child support was not paid then the parents are GUILTY.

So in the c/s cases there really is no pleading of "guilty or not guilty" because if they do not have the cash paid then the parents are always GUILTY.

Therefore the parents can not give any defense as in explaining that they are dead-broke, or crippled injured, were Hospitalized or comatose, no explanations of being unemployed or laid off, had no money, none of that is acceptable and the Court Judge will tell any parent to shut-up that kind of defense because it is all inadmissible to the Court and the only ONLY question of guilt is did the parent pay or not?

The law is created that way so then the Court can NOT decide any account of justice or right from wrong and the parents are thereby denied the ability to give any honest defense and as such it is always an unjust procedure, and the penalty is either 3 years in State prison or 5 years in Federal prison just for failure to pay with no regard for the reasons or for the truth. And if the parent did have any assets or property or bank accounts then the law can and will pillage and plunder any assets available before the parents ever get to the Court, and in fact if any of the parents do raise the money and pay the Child Support then the parent will not go to jail and the Court proceedings will be terminated immediately upon payment because it is only concerned with taking the parents' money, and the Court serves as just an unreasonable collection tool for the single purpose of forcibly collecting cold cash.

And one might think that if the parent does pay the Child Support instead of going to jail that this proves they were "deadbeats" that were just holding out - but no. When faced with incarceration the parents will often sell their last possessions, or their own family members (the children's extended family) will very often pay the Child Support demands in order to stop their loved one from going to jail. It really is the same old process of the "Debtor's Prison" where the debtor's family would pay the debt to get their loved ones out of those prisons, so here again the children are compromised by stealing the family's money and calling it support of those same children when everyone concerned can see it is all a damned lie, because the paying parent really was dead-broke and it was their family that got legally robbed by the c/s system.

Sad story but very real indeed.

Sorry to burst your bubble there JP... but all the above is false.

It is a question of contempt of court- did the non-custodial parent have the ability or means to pay the support and fail to pay? in which case they are in contempt of their court order.

you really should stop spewing out all this false information, you have no clue what policy is involved in child support in the year 2009.

Do some research and see what is really going on.....

If a parent can't pay because they have no job they are sent to A jobs program.... where for FREE,
they get help preparing a resume,
help learning computer skills,
help getting bonded- if they have employment barriers, help with getting a GED
help with job searches
bus passes to get to these classes
help if they are not working because they can't afford a RX
use of the internet
Help learning how to interview for a job