Jail/Prisons & Insanity.

[Ken King (Premo)]

Originally Posted by JPC, Sr.

Child support can not be based on a per child basis, the percentage rate must not go over 25% of take home pay per the Federal Consumer Credit Protection Act (not the c/s garnishment link given before here). Taking the 26 -65 percentage is justification for violent rebellion - IMO.

Wrong asshat, see below from your link

The consumer protections of § 303(a) of the Act do not apply, however, to “any order for the support of any person issued by a court of competent jurisdiction . . . which affords substantial due process, and which is subject to judicial review.”

[vraiblonde]

Originally Posted by JPC, Sr.

BUT my politics and my position on child support is my own position alone and it is not subject to anybody else unless they can show me they are correct.

You can say it's "your own" but I know that I would feel bad if my father not only didn't help with my financial support, but then chose jail rather than supporting me, THEN actually made his lack of support a campaign platform so that OTHER fathers didn't have to support their children either.

I just think the whole thing is sad. I understand your position the way you see it, but I wish you could look at it from someone's perspective other than your own because you are being highly selfish.

[Toxick]

Originally Posted by JPC, Sr.

I do give the emotionally charged retoric out to the dumb masses because that is what the mob mentality hears but I do not fall prey to the simple words myself. To lead sheep one must deal with them on the sheep level but I am not a sheep myself, and I do ask others to rise above that sheep mentality and join me on the higher plain. We all have choices.

You should send this quote to the Washington Post. Maybe some intrepid scooper around here will send it to them for you. I'm sure the voting public will be absolutely delighted in your portayal of them.

Originally Posted by JPC, Sr.

The vast majority of constituants have not spoken yet till election day, but as for this SOMD Forum ...

Like it or not, this forum is a cross-section of your desired constituancy. If polls can be trusted, so can this.

Originally Posted by JPC, Sr.

... I think Toxick is correct that the outspoken posters here do not respect the "God-given rights" and that is why they fail to see what I am telling them in these postings. I am here dealing with Godless posters here so they do not understand the morality issues.

You're a sick, sick man Cusick.

You should seek psychological help. I'm not saying this to be insulting or funny. After reading the above, I really believe that you are in need of some serious therapy.

[Ken King (Premo)]

Here you go JPC, Maryland child support guidlines converted to a percentage.

[hvp05 (Premo)]

Originally Posted by JPC, Sr.

Provision for the child need to be at least middle class and the fact that the parents are lower working class makes the demands unreasonable...

Once again you display your utter lack of scruples. You would rather see a child live a 'lower class' lifestyle than demand that the parents work harder for a better lifestyle.

If I were to hit you in the face with a brick I would have to accept the consequences. Those likely being paying you for pain and suffering as well as paying with time in jail.

If I were to run up astronomical credit charges I would have to accept the consequences and pay off the debt. Even if my wage is a mere $6.15/hr., I still must satisfy that debt to my best ability. If I irresponsibly fell 6 months behind and the creditor began legal action I could not spray paint their office claiming abuse.

When someone helps create a baby they must accept the consequences. No law or decision can make you love your child... but they can make you bear a financial responsibility. If you are not earning enough to uphold that burden working for $6.15/hr. then you ought to be smart enough and man enough to either get a better job or a second job... because you should understand the responsibility that you have brought upon yourself.

The fact that you are willing to let non-custodials slip away with laziness and lower class standards clearly illustrates that you are neither smart nor a real man.

[hvp05 (Premo)]

Originally Posted by JPC, Sr.

I do not have to put up with this crap except that I want to help the other families being hurt by the unjust child support laws.

I don't believe so. I think you still feel hurt by the system and have come to see yourself as some sort of precious crusader against an enemy that does not exist. You refuse to see the reality that you are the reason you went to jail - not "the unjust laws".

Since you also refuse to even attempt to contribute something positive to society, your lifestyle has settled on (a) rotting away alone and bitter in your taxpayer-owned apartment, or (b) rotting away alone and bitter in public via your pseudo-election bid.

Originally Posted by JPC, Sr.

To lead sheep one must deal with them on the sheep level but I am not a sheep myself, and I do ask others to rise above that sheep mentality and join me on the higher plain.

Again, in your own world you are noble and upstanding; to everyone in the real world you are an f'ing idiot.

Consider the paradox in the above quote: You don't want "sheep" to follow you... but anyone who would follow you would have to be a brain-dead sheep. Surely, the vast majority of folks that honestly analyze your arguments can see the countless flaws. Just as the vast majority posting here has done. Toxick and I have not secretly conspired against you. Nor MMDad. Or Ken, Vrai, Midnightrider, et al. We all know you are wrong because, simply enough, you are.

Originally Posted by JPC, Sr.

I am here dealing with Godless posters here so they do not understand the morality issues.

Ah, yet another flicker of dementia. You continue to creep ever closer to the edge of your own cliff. Obviously, you have given up avoiding the issuance of childish, unwarranted personal attacks. (Besides those you've made against Ken for weeks...) I suspect that if you continue this behavior you will soon enough experience SOMD.com purgatory.

Originally Posted by vraiblonde

Okay, I see what you mean.

But if you run into hard times, all you have to do is go back to court and get the child support reduced. I mean, certainly you have to show that you didn't just quit your job to avoid paying child support, but if your hardship is legitimate, the courts will reduce your payments.

Parents run into hard times all the time and going back to Court takes months per case. Say that it snows and the parent misses two or three days work, or even misses all week because of being sick, well they can not go back to Court for relief, while the child support still demands the full payment. If it was a percentage then missing a day of work and then percentages would then make the amount go down, and doing overtime then the amount of c/s goes up. But fixed set amounts make so if the parent is in jail or commatous in the Hospital then c/s counts up arrears payments owed based on a falsehood that the parent is a deadbeat that refuses to pay.

With the law of child support doing percentages(which is not done now) instead of fixed set amounts(which is done now) then if the parent won the lottery then c/s would take a percentage so if the parent made more money then the percentages automatically takes a percentage more, but if the parent goes broke or unemployed or disabled then the percentage goes down and rightly so. That way the gov would have no reason to keep deadbroke parents in jail because the parent must actually make money in order to take the child support.

The law is actually written that percentages is required but the State and the Courts refuse to do it and make only the fixed set amounts and thus the law is wrong and unjust and that is the biggest reason that the majority of parents refuse to obey the unjust demands.

If elected then I will fix this, but I will have to argue it all accross the whole State of Maryland first. From my perspective I am afraid that God might curse me with victory in 29b because He does such things to me.

[Ken King (Premo)]

Originally Posted by JPC, Sr.

Parents run into hard times all the time and going back to Court takes months per case. Say that it snows and the parent misses two or three days work, or even misses all week because of being sick, well they can not go back to Court for relief, while the child support still demands the full payment. If it was a percentage then missing a day of work and then percentages would then make the amount go down, and doing overtime then the amount of c/s goes up. But fixed set amounts make so if the parent is in jail or commatous in the Hospital then c/s counts up arrears payments owed based on a falsehood that the parent is a deadbeat that refuses to pay.

Missing a day or two or even a week isn’t a hardship worthy of having what has been determined as a person’s fair share to be changed. The child doesn’t miss needing food, shelter, or care during those periods, do they? And very few employers give “snow days” JPC, do you think everyone is still a school kid?

With the law of child support doing percentages(which is not done now) instead of fixed set amounts(which is done now) then if the parent won the lottery then c/s would take a percentage so if the parent made more money then the percentages automatically takes a percentage more, but if the parent goes broke or unemployed or disabled then the percentage goes down and rightly so. That way the gov would have no reason to keep deadbroke parents in jail because the parent must actually make money in order to take the child support.

Under the law now if a non-custodial were to win the lottery then the custodial could request a modification to the order for an adjustment. Under your theory any non-custodial that wanted to get out of paying child support could simply quit work becoming self-impoverished or break a law and get thrown in jail. In my mind being a criminal locked away does not relinquish the responsibility to take care of their children so I feel it is only right that the amount owed continues to build while the scum is in jail. Under the law if a person actually becomes unable to work (through no fault of their own) then it is up to the court to determine how the order should be modified and possibly set aside after the person requests the reconsideration and they can make it retro-active to eliminate any amount held in arrears.

The law is actually written that percentages is required but the State and the Courts refuse to do it and make only the fixed set amounts and thus the law is wrong and unjust and that is the biggest reason that the majority of parents refuse to obey the unjust demands.

Cite the Maryland law that says this?

If elected then I will fix this, but I will have to argue it all accross the whole State of Maryland first. From my perspective I am afraid that God might curse me with victory in 29b because He does such things to me.

God curses you, based on how you neglected your child that is something you can be assured of, but it won’t be with victory.

[MMDad (Premo)]

JPC, although you are dead wrong about what the law requires, and your version of how to fix it, let's pretend you actually have something here.

If a parent were told they had to pay a percentage, but the parent still did not pay, what should the state do? For example, suppose a parent was ordered to pay 20%, but that parent left the state for ten years and didn't pay a dime, then showed up and owed $27,000, would you still throw the deadbeat in jail?

Originally Posted by MMDad

JPC, although you are dead wrong about what the law requires, and your version of how to fix it, let's pretend you actually have something here.

If a parent were told they had to pay a percentage, but the parent still did not pay, what should the state do? For example, suppose a parent was ordered to pay 20%, but that parent left the state for ten years and didn't pay a dime, then showed up and owed $27,000, would you still throw the deadbeat in jail?

That is a correct assessment so I must give in that percentages would improve the system but the system is still fundamentally flawed so percentages will fail just as the present system has failed but it would still be an improvement. This is part of why I say that stopping the growth will be easy but bringing justice to child support will be a great deal of work. The issue will need to be worked out in the Legislature and approved by the State Senate and the Governor would have a big imput to the reform and I can not say with certainty how the end product would turn out but I do say with certainty that the child support system we have now is broken and unjust and it needs reform and I will start that process when I get elected.

BUT for the posted question I am sure the law would put that parent in jail but I would feel delighted if the parent were to spray paint the gov building with words like "Child Support Thieves" and "Thou Shalt Not Steal" so then the parent could go to jail for actually doing some real crime.