Jail/Prisons & Insanity.

[Pete]

Originally Posted by JPC, Sr.

Just for the record, the BIG unspoken reason why child support and visitation are separate issues is because -

if the child support is not paid in full then the visitation can be and often is completely denied and refused,

but if the child support is completely paid then only maybe the separated parent might get to visit their own God given children and maybe not.

The law and many custodials only really want the extra cash from child support and refusing visitation is common place.

What I do object to most is the gov and the Courts that give power and force to these laws that break up the family. I want it stopped.

FYI, this is why child support and visitation are made into separate issues.

And courts enforce the two separately. If a custodial parent with holds visitation they are punished and extra visitation is ordered and other punitive measures can and are taken.

You live in generalizations that are all lies.

What happens to deadbeats is that they get in arrears with their support, then if their visitation is disturbed they fear going to court for the appropriate remedy because they are behind in child support and fear getting whacked for that while they are there. So see rectal opening, there are laws against withholding visitation but if you fear going to court to have it enforced because you are a deadbeat the problem is YOURS and not the law.

[MMDad]

Hey JPC,

Instead of claiming you want to reform child support, why don't you be a little more honest and tell everyone what your real goal is. You want to abolish child support enforcement, don't you?

Stop with all of your "percentage" lies and admit the truth.

[Ken King]

Originally Posted by JPC, Sr.

Well I really do not like to pick at KK but he puts it out there (as I do too) so I see what he says as very common among custodial parents.

Now see in that KK link given by hvp that his 25 year old adult child knows what his mother is - says his father.

You ignorant imbecile, my children do know what their mother is, just as your son knows what you are. They can talk of her anyway they chose because that is their right, they have earned it. The teachers are the people like you and her caught up in your own little worlds caring not what happens or becomes of others, especially your children. They learn by your inaction towards them without a hint of support as they do without some of the nicer things in life that supportive parents would have provided. Deadbeat scum bags like you are too dense to understand the responsibility for providing for your children. You would rather they struggle and do without instead of lifting a finger to make their lives better. You disgust me and I spit on you.

So the 25 year old (and other offspring) can say and believe that their own God given mother is a "deadbeat" and the custodial never taught them to honor thy mother. Instead children are taught to badmouth and degrade their own separated parent and the custodials like KK do not object. This is a betrayal of the children and an injustice to their separated parent and a degradation to society and it all comes from the unjust child support laws. Those laws teach that the children's parents are to be degraded and the custodial accepts the slander for cash C/S payments and the children follow suit and do as they are told and betray their own separated parent. This is an abomination and a pervertion and the law is not to be our masters in our families. I am starting the process that will put an end to the injustice and the slander too.

You are full of sh!t. Explain how one should or could honor a person that claims to love them yet refuses to provide for their support when fully capable of doing so? You can't demand honor and respect it has to be earned. Do you wonder why you receive absolutely zero respect here? Maybe it's because you haven't earned it and are seen for truly what it is that you are, useless worthless uncaring bastard of lower standing than whale dung.

And for your information, just so you have the facts, my children were never taught to “bad-mouth” their mother. It was a point I made to never disparage her in their presence. I allowed them to formulate their own opinion and I hold no blame for that as it was all based on how they were treated.

The only betrayal out there comes from #######s like you claiming to take a higher path while everyone else can plainly see that your acts were done for nothing more then your own selfish reasons as you denied what your child was due simply to inflict harm upon your wife, as if running away and abandoning her and a child weren’t enough. You and your ilk are the abominations whose actions become the lessons these children learn. But as typical you would rather shift the blame to others as you are too blind to see what you have done and again fail to be accountable for your actions.

Originally Posted by Ken King

By allowing for proportionate payments versus establishing an amount of determined support an unscrupulous person could stop work, switch to a lower paying job, or obtain unreported income to deprive the child of equitable support. Not to mention the administrative nightmare of tracking changes in income that would make verification of the appropriate level of withholding an undue burden on the state. Your concept of “scaled” payments would make the system more susceptible to abuse and knowing the nature of many I am sure they would take advantage of your design.

The point again is that KK and the Courts assume the parent as guilty and expect abuse from the parents instead of deeming the parents as innocent and deserving justice in the first place, that is a big error because Americans do not have to earn respect in the first place except when injustice takes over as in child support where the separated parent is deemed unjustly as a "deadbeat" as KK says is the "nature of many". That is a big part of what the injustice means that the parents are deemed guilty in the first place. I want to bring justice back and stop hurting parents and stop dividing families.

Originally Posted by Ken King

Wrong again, as the law has provisions for everything you have brought up and if an unjust situation is supported by evidence then amounts different then what are in the guidelines can be established. What is abundantly clear is that you haven’t even read the laws concerning child support and are just making things up as you go versus learning what is or isn’t covered? Poor folk only pay what they are able and the guidelines clearly show that it is based on ability to pay and they aren’t being unduly gouged as you contend.

I do not disagree with that the words of the law sound right and proper and I guess that is why hypocricy is so very irritating, because the law says one thing and does another.

Like putting deadbroke parents into jail because they are too poor to pay the child support demands. That to me is a nasty contradiction. But also the hypocricy I find particularly worse is in the child support guidelines themselves, where the law specifically says to take percentages and then the Courts only order the hard fixed set amounts and no percentages at all.
Here is that link with percentages info,

http://www.ChildSupportGuidelines.co...art200110.html

The law says one thing and the parents get another. The hypocricy is irritating to me. So KK can always make claims in saying how nice and wonderful the law is while I have to try to point out the reality with links and facts that show how the unjust c/s laws and its enforcement hurts families and it hurts our society.

[Ken King]

Originally Posted by JPC, Sr.

The point again is that KK and the Courts assume the parent as guilty and expect abuse from the parents instead of deeming the parents as innocent and deserving justice in the first place, that is a big error because Americans do not have to earn respect in the first place except when injustice takes over as in child support where the separated parent is deemed unjustly as a "deadbeat" as KK says is the "nature of many". That is a big part of what the injustice means that the parents are deemed guilty in the first place. I want to bring justice back and stop hurting parents and stop dividing families.

No you idiot, it is the presumption of the legislature that the nature of some parents are to be deadbeats and will not of their own accord provide for their children. You are the perfect example as to why they felt it necessary to control via legislation the payment of support for children of divorced parents. Had, as you claim, parents taken care of children on their own there would be no need for the state to dictate how it will be done. Unfortunately you are just one of many lowlife scum sucking swine unwilling to take responsibility for those you brought into this world.

I am surprised that you can breathe without the assistance of a machine because you are certainly more brain-dead than anyone I have ever had the misfortune of communicating with.

[Ken King]

Originally Posted by JPC, Sr.

I do not disagree with that the words of the law sound right and proper and I guess that is why hypocricy is so very irritating, because the law says one thing and does another.

Like putting deadbroke parents into jail because they are too poor to pay the child support demands. That to me is a nasty contradiction. But also the hypocricy I find particularly worse is in the child support guidelines themselves, where the law specifically says to take percentages and then the Courts only order the hard fixed set amounts and no percentages at all.
Here is that link with percentages info,

http://www.ChildSupportGuidelines.co...art200110.html

The law says one thing and the parents get another. The hypocricy is irritating to me. So KK can always make claims in saying how nice and wonderful the law is while I have to try to point out the reality with links and facts that show how the unjust c/s laws and its enforcement hurts families and it hurts our society.

You stupid jackass, read the link you provided, read it all, particularly § 1673 (b) exceptions and it doesn't say anything that you claim. Do you find it difficult to breathe with your head so far up your ass?

[KCM]

I am utterly speechless at responses made by you JPC. Your ignorance of the child support issues (and now visitation issues) astounds me. I find it quite amusing that what your "platform" is in running for election is something you have no experience on, i.e. paying child support and visitation with a child. Your inability to understand what you are trying to enforce would certainly deter anyone from honestly voting for you in this election. Your underlying motives in your campaign is to right a wrong you perceived to be placed upon you - not what is good for St. Mary's County. There are many single parents, both mother's and father's, on these forums who do not find any rationale into your thinking, comments and responses. What do you think the rest of St. Mary's County is going to think?

Originally Posted by KCM

I am utterly speechless at responses made by you JPC. Your ignorance of the child support issues (and now visitation issues) astounds me. I find it quite amusing that what your "platform" is in running for election is something you have no experience on, i.e. paying child support and visitation with a child. Your inability to understand what you are trying to enforce would certainly deter anyone from honestly voting for you in this election.

It is just that I give specific info, related facts, and verifiable Links so anyone can see it for one self, so I kind of see mine as correct and all else is just hot air from nay sayers.

As I see my dilema as with child support and this Forum is it just reminds me of the sayings by Catherine the Great of Russia when she wanted to end the policy of serfdom (virtual slavery) and Catherine said she did not want to make the Landlords poorer, she wanted to make them great because free people will give out far more then any brutal servitude, but the Russian Landlords resisted because they thought they would lose the money and lose their serfs too, so Catherine was not successful and the ill-treatment continued for many more years.

Now this injustice with child support is much the same in that the separated parents would give freely and generously to their own children but the child support laws get in the way so that the custodials only get a pitance in child support cash and many do not even get that, and then demand that the gov go out and force them some more. Stealing hurts those that steal as much if not more then it hurts those that are robbed.

Child support is like crumbs thrown to make the dog jump, so it is selling out their family to get the ill-gotten child support cash.

Originally Posted by KCM

Your underlying motives in your campaign is to right a wrong you perceived to be placed upon you - not what is good for St. Mary's County.

My child support case is long closed. I am only doing this to help stop the child support from hurting other families.

Originally Posted by KCM

There are many single parents, both mother's and father's, on these forums who do not find any rationale into your thinking, comments and responses. What do you think the rest of St. Mary's County is going to think?

I think it is time for all people to face up to the real problems in child support and quit hiding from the realities. It is not a matter of opinion when we have parents right now in jail because they do not have the money to pay the unjust demands of child support. And it is not a matter of opinion when the law says to take percentages for child support and then they cheat the parents by taking only the hard set fixed amounts. And it is not a matter of opinion for the old old saying of, "Thou shalt not steal."

[Ken King]

Originally Posted by JPC, Sr.

It is just that I give specific info, related facts, and verifiable Links so anyone can see it for one self, so I kind of see mine as correct and all else is just hot air from nay sayers.

You have given no specifics, you regularly misconstrue facts, you do not comprehend the links you attach and you make bold faced lies when proven wrong. Your position on child support is both wrong and immature.

As I see my dilema as with child support and this Forum is it just reminds me of the sayings by Catherine the Great of Russia when she wanted to end the policy of serfdom (virtual slavery) and Catherine said she did not want to make the Landlords poorer, she wanted to make them great because free people will give out far more then any brutal servitude, but the Russian Landlords resisted because they thought they would lose the money and lose their serfs too, so Catherine was not successful and the ill-treatment continued for many more years.

The dilemma with child support is that many willfully fail to comply with the shared responsibility of providing for their children. Like you they see their divorce as relinquishing them from any duties or obligation they once had towards their children. They consider being expected to continue providing support for children, that they no longer have custody of, as a punishment imposed upon them instead of the responsibility that it remains. They are bitter and small minded people that deprive their children to feed the venom they hold towards their former spouse.

Now this injustice with child support is much the same in that the separated parents would give freely and generously to their own children but the child support laws get in the way so that the custodials only get a pitance in child support cash and many do not even get that, and then demand that the gov go out and force them some more. Stealing hurts those that steal as much if not more then it hurts those that are robbed.

This is a bunch of bull. If these parents gave freely and generously as you contend then the legislature would have never had to mandate it as a legal obligation. Facts bear out that your line of hogwash is just that and history has shown that if left to do what is right by themselves they don’t provide support. If everyone did as they should there would be no such laws, but they don’t and you yourself are proof of that fact.

Child support is like crumbs thrown to make the dog jump, so it is selling out their family to get the ill-gotten child support cash.

Support can be the difference between going to bed hungry and going to bed with adequate sustenance. Many children of deadbeats like you would be glad to get even crumbs. Instead they are punished by the neglect that is dumped on them because they have a parent that could care less whether they live or die.

My child support case is long closed. I am only doing this to help stop the child support from hurting other families.

Yeah, it was closed with you never meeting your obligation. You outlived those that without any concern or assistance from you raised your child. You are disgusting in your contempt for what is right and proper. You weaseled out of your obligation as only a deadbeat would do. What is worse is your audacity to boast of this accomplishment as if it was a righteous cause. The reality is that it was nothing short of villainy on your part.

I think it is time for all people to face up to the real problems in child support and quit hiding from the realities. It is not a matter of opinion when we have parents right now in jail because they do not have the money to pay the unjust demands of child support. And it is not a matter of opinion when the law says to take percentages for child support and then they cheat the parents by taking only the hard set fixed amounts. And it is not a matter of opinion for the old old saying of, "Thou shalt not steal."

They aren’t in jail because they don’t have money; they are in jail for refusing to provide what they are responsible for. They chose not to make the required payments, they failed to show how what was established as their share was unjust or impossible for them to meet, and they allowed the unpaid amounts to build to a point where they had to be dealt with. It was all of their own doing and theirs alone. It wasn’t because of unjust laws; it was simply because of their decision to not do as they were required.

And again the laws do not say that it must be a fixed percentage. The fact that you are too ignorant to grasp this one aspect of the law as it relates to garnishment versus what is required by Maryland for child support, even when laid in front of you and clearly written in plain English, makes you look more of the fool than you already are. Have you wondered why no one else sees the same that you see? If you want to know why that is, it’s simple, you’re wrong. But that is the norm for you, just like you are wrong for the citizens of 29B and they will show you in September.