100% Renewable Energy in Germany

[Merlin99 (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Gilligan

You mean like all the positive effects of that variety that we've experienced by making ethanol from corn?

Oh...wait....no, that wouldn't be a good example, would it.

No that wouldn't be a good example. Ethanol is an example of shifting the problem and depleting other natural resources while causing myriad other problems doing it.

[Merlin99 (Premo)]

Originally Posted by GWguy

A quick search makes it look to be outwardly expensive, $100 per quart can, but I'll bet that goes a long way making gas.

Also found a youtube video on how to make your own from limestone.


Hmmmmmmm......... I wonder how it would work in a v-8 engine?



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All of those old fashioned miners helmets ran on it, so it must have commercially feasible at some point.

[ylexot]

My view...government shouldn't push for anything. They should pull instead.

Currently, we "push" by giving money to company/agency X to study, research, and hopefully develop Y ($+X=Y?). How do we know that company/agency X can do it? We don't.

Flip the equation and "pull" instead. Offer money to anyone who successfully develops Y (X+Y=$). In this way, only those who can accomplish the task get paid. And if you offer $1B (much less than the $90B we've invested in failures) to the first one to make it work, everyone with a good idea will be trying.

[GURPS (Premo)]

Originally Posted by glhs837

Here's the key.....

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[GURPS (Premo)]

Wind Power


G - I would think you would have a constant wind being on the water

[Gilligan (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Merlin99

All of those old fashioned miners helmets ran on it, so it must have commercially feasible at some point.

Yes but..in limited quantities as one of only a few available solutions for a unique set of 'period' requirements. Very early automobiles used the same stuff..as did carriage lamps before that. Bright, compact portable light generators. And inherently dangerous as heck.

Than came longer life more compact dry-cell batteries and generators and rechargeable wet cell batteries on cars and... and ....

[GWguy]

Originally Posted by Gilligan

Yes but..in limited quantities as one of only a few available solutions for a unique set of 'period' requirements. Very early automobiles used the same stuff..as did carriage lamps before that. Bright, compact portable light generators. And inherently dangerous as heck.

Than came longer life more compact dry-cell batteries and generators and rechargeable wet cell batteries on cars and... and ....

^that.

Major cause of cave and mine explosions. Not the lamps, but the lamps igniting the methane and natural gas.

[Radiant1]

Originally Posted by ylexot

My view...government shouldn't push for anything. They should pull instead.

Currently, we "push" by giving money to company/agency X to study, research, and hopefully develop Y ($+X=Y?). How do we know that company/agency X can do it? We don't.

Flip the equation and "pull" instead. Offer money to anyone who successfully develops Y (X+Y=$). In this way, only those who can accomplish the task get paid. And if you offer $1B (much less than the $90B we've invested in failures) to the first one to make it work, everyone with a good idea will be trying.

A reasonable cost-saving approach while still encouraging alternatives and innovation.

The only problem I see is big oil stomping any private investors willing to go for it. It's not as hard to lose your investor's money when that investor is the gov't.

[Gilligan (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Radiant1

The only problem I see is big oil stomping any private investors willing to go for it.:

Say what????? "Big oil" is investing more money in alternative energy than our tax dollars by a long shot.

You are shirley not buying in to that psychotic but ever-present "Earl invented a machine that runs forever on two teaspoonfulls of cod liver oil and the big oil companies took him out with a small thermonuclear device" garbage are ya???

[Radiant1]

Originally Posted by Gilligan

Say what????? "Big oil" is investing more money in alternative energy than our tax dollars by a long shot.

You are shirley not buying in to that psychotic but ever-present "Earl invented a machine that runs forever on two teaspoonfulls of cod liver oil and the big oil companies took him out with a small thermonuclear device" garbage are ya???

Are they? Enlighten me please. I wasn't aware I was buying into anything, but I guess you can try to sell me something too.