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[Gilligan (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Radiant1

Are they?.

They more than anyone else. As any business,well run, would,,and must.

The "evil big oil" kool aid runs like tap water.

[Radiant1]

Originally Posted by Gilligan

They more than anyone else. As any business,well run, would,,and must.

The "evil big oil" kool aid runs like tap water.

Can you give me some for instances and examples please? Kool aid tastes like #### no matter where it comes from.

[aps45819]

Originally Posted by Merlin99

All of those old fashioned miners helmets ran on it, so it must have commercially feasible at some point.

Auto and motorcycle headlights ran on it also

[Gilligan (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Radiant1

Can you give me some for instances and examples please? Kool aid tastes like #### no matter where it comes from.

If you are curious enough and not stuck in your "big oil is bad" meme, you will do what I always do when somebody piques my curiosity...I go research it myself. I get tired of people that try to end a debate that isn't going their way by pulling the 5th grade "I won't believe you and you can't make me!!" along with foot stomp or two. Or go like this:


Good friend of mine is retiring from Exxon this year; for most of the last decade he's been working in their alternative energies division. In chatting with him over the years, I've found it quite remarkable what kinds of things he's been purusing..and how much money Exxon is - and has been - investing. And according to him, up until just a few years ago, BP's aternative energy group and research was even larger than Exxon's...and probably will be again once they get all the costs of of their gulf oil rig disaster well behind them.

[Radiant1]

Originally Posted by Gilligan

If you are curious enough and not stuck in your "big oil is bad" meme, you will do what I always do when somebody piques my curiosity...I go research it myself. I get tired of people that try to end a debate that isn't going their way by pulling the 5th grade "I won't believe you and you can't make me!!" along with foot stomp or two. Or go like this:

I wasn't debating you, nor was I stomping my foot. I was simply asking you for examples because apparently you knew something I didn't. In fact, my comment about kool-aid tasting like #### no matter where it comes from should have clued you in that I'm not overly fond of kool-aid. With a few exceptions my opinions are not absolutes but rather can be changed when presented with new information. I'm not apt to research one generalized comment from one person on the internet such as "They more than anyone else"; however, if given something of a little substance I might.

Originally Posted by Gilligan

Good friend of mine is retiring from Exxon this year; for most of the last decade he's been working in their alternative energies division. In chatting with him over the years, I've found it quite remarkable what kinds of things he's been purusing..and how much money Exxon is - and has been - investing. And according to him, up until just a few years ago, BP's aternative energy group and research was even larger than Exxon's...and probably will be again once they get all the costs of of their gulf oil rig disaster behind them.

^^ I was not aware of that. That was exactly what I was asking for, thank you. That wasn't so hard, was it? NOW, I might research more details.

[Gilligan (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Radiant1

^^ I was not aware of that. That was exactly what I was asking for, thank you. That wasn't so hard, was it? NOW, I might research more details.

I admit..with apologies, if due..that I am overly sensitive to the "moron crowd"..those exemplified by our very own cellar-dwelling cut-n-paste artist nhboy and so many others. I have very little patience if any for the willfully ignorant.

Baack to the subject at hand. Energy companies are not 'stupid'..but the interesting part of it is how much they are investing in alternative energies out of their own pure self interest (future survival) and how much they invest for public relations (written off)..and how much they invest because they get those infamous "subsidies" that all the lefties love to hate so much. Said subsidies being actually only tax offsets..but we'll go with the meme.

[Radiant1]

Originally Posted by Gilligan

I admit..with apologies, if due..that I am overly sensitive to the "moron crowd"..those exemplified by our very own cellar-dwelling cut-n-paste artist nhboy and so many others. I have very little patience if any for the willfully ignorant.

Baack to the subject at hand. Energy companies are not 'stupid'..but the interesting part of it is how much they are investing in alternative energies out of their own pure self interest (future survival) and how much they invest for public relations (written off)..and how much they invest because they get those infamous "subsidies" that all the lefties love to hate so much. Said subsidies being actually only tax offsets..but we'll go with the meme.

Of course, that's the nature of business and makes perfect sense from a business perspective. So does squashing any competition that might infringe on profits.

[MMDad]

Originally Posted by Gilligan

I'm not sure where I fall on the issue of fracking. I'm instinctively "for" any new or increased supply of domestic energy. I've seen zero evidence that fracking has created any problems anywhere...all those "gas in the well water" videos were basically scams and highly inaccurate.

But something about the whole way they go about doing fracking...leaves me with an uneasy feeling that we don't really know what the ultimate consequences might be.

They've been doing fracking in Oklahoma for more than 50 years without a documented case of contamination. While it is possible for an accident to happen, that's true for any technology.

Hydrogen seems to be as clean as it gets, but generating the hydrogen is the problem. Plus, one accident and the stuff it ignites cancels out any cleanliness. Kind of like hybrid cars - they seem so clean, until you factor in the battery production and disposal. Or like compact flourescents - a couple centuries from now those will be a joke in a textbook. "Look at how stupid they were! Poisoning themselves to avoid using proven, safe technology!"

[Gilligan (Premo)]

Originally Posted by MMDad

Kind of like hybrid cars - they seem so clean, until you factor in the battery production and disposal. Or like compact flourescents - a couple centuries from now those will be a joke in a textbook. "Look at how stupid they were! Poisoning themselves to avoid using proven, safe technology!"

x100. The lithium battery part especially. I remain astounded that the Feds are so solidly behind a technology that is guaranteed to create/become a national environmental nightmare out of a scarce material that the Chinese control. Crazy.

[Gilligan (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Radiant1

So does squashing any competition that might infringe on profits.

oh. Yr one of those. I should have guessed.

Carry on.