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Old 04-29-2008, 07:40 AM   #171 (permalink)
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Another EMO lady. Your "beef" is with God not us. Take it up with Him.
The entire point of this thread is why should schools subject kids to this? Schools need to stick to "reading, riting & rithmetic". I'll bet if Christian kids wanted to have a vigil on Good Friday they wouldn't be allowed to. Remember when it was called the "Easter Holidays"? Now it's spring break. Why? Thank a liberal like yourself. And, yes, you are a "judgmental prick"! Why? Because you want to express your opinion but want us to shut up about ours. Your pride won't let you see that you are wrong, not because I say you are but because GOD said you are. Nighty night!
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I'm with you brother. The gay lovers seem to be very judgemental when it comes to beliefs that don't coincide with theirs. I don't hate gays at all. Although I feel their lifestyle is perverted, they should be left alone to live their lives the best they can. There isn't much difference between homosexuals, pedophiles, animal lovers, and people who screw dead bodies other than the fact that it does involve two consenting adults. That does make it a more acceptable but not any less perverted. The whole issue of kids being taught anything about gays in school is unacceptable. My kids are being taught to love everyone but they are also being taught that homosexuality is not normal. They hear it at home and at church along with the thousands of other people in the church. If you don't like it, too bad!
No opinions but hers are allowed. All others will be mocked. What was the norm in schools many years ago is no longer allowed because of religion and the liberal morons. Nobody's feelings are allowed to be hurt if they are part of something that is not normal or accepted throughout. Everyone else must listen to their whines and complaints and can do nothing about it. Nobody wants to get beaten or killed because of their beliefs/actions. But, here's the kicker, it's going to happen no matter where they are at, at any given time, and "for no apparent reason". Why, because it is not normal or accepted, and the knuckleheads on the hill keep passing laws to baby them into society.
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Old 04-29-2008, 07:42 AM   #172 (permalink)
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I'll quote & comment in red but first and foremost Geek, you have proven again what I said earlier. Your sources are VERY flawed and so your statements will be flawed also. Did you notice that she NEVER used the Bible as a reference? She used it to say it was incorrect about homosexuality. A clear sign that she does NOT believe it. Another CLEAR SIGN is that she has the nerve to call herself a pastor. This is a sin and VERY unbiblical! I won't site the Bible verses here because you don't believe them either so I'll only make a few points from her article.

...oddly enough, I don't remember one word ever being spoken about homosexuality. I don't even know when I first heard the term -- probably not before high school. When I did, it was not with any heavy overlay of negativity -- and in this, I have come to realize, my experience is very different from many people's. I did not grow up being told homosexuality was shameful or sordid; I never had a bad experience such as being molested by a person of my own gender. In fact, I had never met a homosexual person, as far as I knew, even into my twenties. This combination of influences meant that my attitude was pretty much "live-and-let-live." I didn't see how it hurt anyone, or how it threatened me, if two people of the same sex wanted to love each other and live together. What was the big deal?
So just because she hadn't heard about homo's until her 30's or didn't have any bad experiences means that they are not sinful? Good grief Geek, and you believe her?

It really wasn't until seminary, when I was thirty years old, that the issue acquired a human face for me. Her name was Sally...But over time we made a habit of praying together, and it was in the course of those years of praying, of being honest with ourselves as possible in the presence of God, that Sally came out to herself as gay. When the Presbyterian Church kicked her out of the ordination process, I was stricken; how could they say that Sally was not qualified to be a pastor? She was the best student in her class, and a better Christian than I ever expect to be. I knew that she had been gifted and called to the ministry. Then Sally was fired from her job as the Youth Director at the church, because someone sent the pastor a letter saying that she was gay. All I could think at the time was; this is absurd, this is evil. Sally is great with those kids; why would people assume she is not safe to work with them?
God already said she couldn't be a Pastor. The Presbyterian church was only following His Word.
About "why would people assume she is not safe to work with kids", Can you say Scout leaders and catholic priests?


Sally did not deserve to be despised and rejected; it was the church who was wrong. In the five years that followed, I had many such experiences. I had young men with AIDS look up at me with hollow eyes and ask, "Do you think I am an abomination?" I sat with young men calling for their parents as they died, parents who never came. I kept going back in my mind, again, and again, to my earliest Christian training; the message that God loves everyone, and that Jesus said to love your neighbor as yourself. He didn't say, "love your neighbor, unless he or she happens to be homosexual." He never said one word about homosexuality at all.
This is very sad and wrong, I agree. These parents and others should never abandon their kids and call them names. What they do is a sin but people are not to be hated or ridiculed. The sin is what should be hated. So, again, I go back to what I said earlier: God will never disappoint you, people always will.

Jesus spent his whole life going to the poor, the marginalized, the persons who were called unclean by their society, and demonstrating that God's love included them. He treated them with compassion. His own harshest words were for the Pharisees who believed that they were righteous in God's eyes, that others were not, and that God's judgments and opinions were identical to their own.
This is why this blind fool should not be a pastor. She needs to read the rest of the book where God destroyed 2 entire cities for their perversion and the Egyptians and many others for their evil ways. Not to mention what He will do at the end of the world.

Which brings me to the question of what the Bible has to say about homosexuality. The world "homosexual" does not appear anywhere in the Bible -- that words was not invented in any language, until the 1890s, when for the first time the awareness developed that there are people with a constitutional orientation toward their own sex.
There are 2 ways that the Bible can make a point: state it or imply it. The word "Trinity" is not in the Bible but it is implied MANY times!

In the whole Bible, there are only seven brief passages that deal with homosexual behavior. The first is the story of Sodom and Gomorra, which I preached on last fall, which is actually irrelevant to the issue. The attempted gang rape in Sodom has nothing to say about whether or not genuine love expressed between consenting adults of the same gender is legitimate.
"Irrelevant"??? This woman will pay dearly for her sinful lies. Geek, try to cover up this lie for your lady friend! Read this and tell me who is wrong here, her or God: Genesis 19 v 4 & 5 says: "...all the men from every part of the city of Sodom-both young & old-surrounded the house. Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them". Does this sound like they were interested in a Bible study with them?

But even if this were not the case, even if Paul knew about and condemned all forms of homosexual behavior, even the most loving, what then? Paul also told women not to teach, not to cut their hair, not to speak in church. Do we follow his teaching? When I was pastor at Wallingford, I put biblical and intellectual foundations under my "heart" experience of knowing Sally.
She is the devil's advocate. This is why Paul told women not to teach. She is living proof! Most of her theology is emotionally based and the very reason why Eve was deceived and why God said women are not to be pastors in His church.

As a result, when you ask me, "Is homosexuality a sin?" My answer today is: "No." I may be wrong, and I ask God's forgiveness if I am. But I don't believe that sexual orientation has anything to do with morality, any more than being blond or tall or left-handed does. Homosexuals as well as heterosexuals can be involved in sexual sin, including promiscuity, infidelity, and abuse. And homosexuals as well as heterosexuals can love one another with faithfulness, tenderness, and integrity. The same standards of moral behavior should apply to Christians, straight and gay. That is what my life experience as a pastor has led me to believe.
When a homosexual couple comes to meet with me in my office, then, and asks, "Will we be accepted in this church?" I can answer, "I will accept you."
Shall I say, "Yes, you will be accepted here, as long as you aren't open about who you are and who you love?" Shall I say, "Yes, you will be accepted here, but you may not serve in any leadership positions." Shall I say, "Yes, you will be accepted here, but whatever you do, don't hold hands in church. Only heterosexual couples are allowed to do that." Shall I just say, "No." Or, perhaps, simply, "Yes."
SATAN LOVES THIS WOMAN! Do you realize how many people might end up in hell because of her? And I guess, then, that God was wrong in destroying those 2 cities right Geek?

Holy Crap. .Tell me this, How many times did Jesus tell you to love one another? His message is about love, not hate. You are here spouting the worst type of evil. Your words will hurt, just as much as physical blows. Using your Bible to foster your prejudices and find a reason to act extremely un-Christ-like is showing the world the exact opposite of what Jesus want people to learn.

Maybe you need to get in touch with your emotions too. "Whatever you do unto these people you do unto me" You are hurting Jesus with your hate.
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Old 04-29-2008, 08:42 AM   #173 (permalink)
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Gay people are not hurting any of you. They just want to live their lives in peace like the rest of us. You people using your religious beliefs as a justification for hurting other people are no different than the Muslim terrorists you profess to hate so much. There are much more important issues to get so worked up about in the world today. Can't you just "live and let live"??

Ignorance and hatred in the name of your god is the real perversion.
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Old 04-29-2008, 08:50 AM   #174 (permalink)
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My name is Jaclyn LaTorre. I'm a proud officer at the Great Mills High School GSA. You probably saw me in the enterprise.

You're all a bunch of judgmental hypocrites. I read earlier that some think that the lifestyle of gays is perverted and always leads to sex.
Are you stupid?

Heterosexual couples and homosexual couples are no different in a relationship. If you love someone, it'll probably lead to sex eventually, but some of you are so stuck up your own butts that you don't realize that gays are people too. We all have feelings, and we all live on the same planet.

Why can't you accept that? Gays will always exist, just as straight people always exist.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with gays, bisexuals, transgender, or even straight people.

The vigil was to honor people who died because of discrimination. They were murdered because of their orientation. You think it's pointless? It's hate crime. No one deserves to die because of who they are and what they believe. A 3 year old was brutally murdered by his father because he thought his son would grow up to be a homosexual. Another was in the army and trampled to death. His injuries were compared to that of a horse trampling. Allen Shindler. Look it up.

I'll always be a proud member, and I'll always know that I'm not a judgmental prick.

Your religion may say homosexuality is wrong. Guess what? We all have opinions. If there is a God, he created all of us. Gay, straight, bi, whatever. Stop being hypocrites.

Take that into consideration when you reply, you may just make yourself sound even more stupid.
Jaclyn, Thanks for your reply and let's have a discussion. I have not heard anyone judge you or at least I have not. What we are talking about is behavior. You may not think that the behavior is wrong. If the society "evolves" and ethics/morals change over time is it not logical to conclude that other ethic/moral norms could change. Lets assume some students wanted to start a club called NAMBLA (google it). These men advocate relations with young boys and they are trying to nomralize/legitimize this relationship. Should we be concerned? Is it wrong? IF something is unethical/immoral today should that change tomorrow and be acceptable. I theory if we were to adopt your and others notion that this behavior is normal and acceptable where do you draw the line? DO you draw the line at any behavior and why? How will you decide what behavior is normal/ethical/moral.? Not a sermon just a thought.......
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Old 04-29-2008, 10:48 AM   #175 (permalink)
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Jaclyn, Thanks for your reply and let's have a discussion. I have not heard anyone judge you or at least I have not. What we are talking about is behavior. You may not think that the behavior is wrong. If the society "evolves" and ethics/morals change over time is it not logical to conclude that other ethic/moral norms could change. Lets assume some students wanted to start a club called NAMBLA (google it). These men advocate relations with young boys and they are trying to nomralize/legitimize this relationship. Should we be concerned? Is it wrong? IF something is unethical/immoral today should that change tomorrow and be acceptable. I theory if we were to adopt your and others notion that this behavior is normal and acceptable where do you draw the line? DO you draw the line at any behavior and why? How will you decide what behavior is normal/ethical/moral.? Not a sermon just a thought.......
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Old 04-29-2008, 03:02 PM   #176 (permalink)
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Oh, Emo lady. Nice. That's sooo mature. You're HOW old? :/
Check my profile for my age. EMO is an observation not a put down.
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I'm Agnostic, and I don't care about your "God" or your beliefs. You can have your opinions, and I can have mine. What I don't like, is that some of you saying it's wrong, disgusting, bla bla bla, and comparing it to your judgmental beliefs. You are hypocritical. You talk about opinions, having our own and what-not, yet you say I am wrong because God said so? Funny.
Last time I checked, "God" supposedly created all of us, and if that were true, he doesn't hate gays like you seem to, otherwise, they wouldn't exist. They do, which means "God" doesn't mind them. Only people like YOU do.
For the record, I do NOT hate gays but, again, your beef is with God. If I say that you are wrong because God said so, it isn't my rule it's His. And you are sooo contradicting yourself because you neither know or understand God. He doesn't hate gays, He hates what they do. And, He gives us all free choices to do right or wrong. When we die, we will receive a reward or punishment for those choices.
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The world shouldn't revolve around YOUR religion; not everyone thinks as you do.
It doesn't, it revolves around God. Look at the world today Jaclyn. Look at the greed, killings, hate crimes, etc., doesn't it look like the world needs God again?
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I have no problem with religion, I only have problems with people like you who think religion is everything, and brainwashing others with your beliefs is right. No. You can believe what you believe, but you have no right to say that your God has judged me badly for how I think or how I am, or anyone else in this world, for he is YOUR God, not mine. If I'm so wrong, tell your God to do something about it. Tell HIM to punish me. Your words are nothing. :)
Oh, but it is everything. And I have a command from God to speak the truth and expose evil.
Why should I tell God to punish you? All you are is misguided. I just ask Him to help you see the truth. As a Christian I have to love you. If I hated you, God would not be happy with that and would deal with me about it.
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People are people, what they do is not to be judged by what you think god says. YOU are not the JUDGE. Your GOD is. Stop trying to speak for him, if he exists, he would speak for himself, he would not have let there be gays alive.
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And to add, your book [bible] states that homosexuality is a sin, am I correct? Everyone has committed a sin in their lifetime. None are saints. You do not condemn them to hell, yet you condemn homosexuals?
Again Jaclyn, you do not understand how God works so why not ask instead of making incorrect statements? Yes, all have sinned, especially me but who goes to Heaven is determined by whether or not they have asked Jesus into their lives and are following His commands. Going to hell isn't about sin. Christians still sin but, with God's help, we do it less & less. Now, if I were to continue in my old lifestyle after I "supposedly" became a Christian, I wouldn't be going to Heaven. I'd be in danger of eternal punishment. This is why I said to Geek that it is refusal to believe in Jesus Christ and not follow His ways that condemns you.
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I know that I cannot change how you think; but that was not my intention. I'd just appreciate if you'd show others respect, rather than brush them off as if you are God himself; and only know what it right.
Not everything from your perspective is just. Not everything you say and think is correct.
Thank you for reading, even if you plan to spark another argument.
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Why can't you see the love here? You say I need to show others respect but that's what I am doing. The devil makes you people believe that we are judgmental or disrespectful but that is the exact opposite of what we are. If you were going in a downward spiral because of alcohol, smoking, homosexuality, etc., and I tried to help you out of your dilema, WHY WOULD YOU LOOK AT IT AS HATE? Look at it for what it is; love & concern. The problem is your own pride and ignorance. They won't let you accept our "life preserver". One day you'll see that we were right but it might be too late then.
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Holy Crap. .Tell me this, How many times did Jesus tell you to love one another? His message is about love, not hate. You are here spouting the worst type of evil. Your words will hurt, just as much as physical blows. Using your Bible to foster your prejudices and find a reason to act extremely un-Christ-like is showing the world the exact opposite of what Jesus want people to learn. Maybe you need to get in touch with your emotions too. "Whatever you do unto these people you do unto me" You are hurting Jesus with your hate.
GEEZZZ Geek, take off the blinders babe! Can't you tell love from hate? Let's try another example. When you spank, correct & punish your kids, it might look like you're hurting them but does it mean that you hate them? This is no different. My motive here is love not hatred.
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Gay people are not hurting any of you.
You people using your religious beliefs as a justification for hurting other people are no different than the Muslim terrorists you profess to hate so much.
Ignorance and hatred in the name of your god is the real perversion.
They're not hurting us? Please come out from under your rock and see what's happening. Your statement is the height of ignorance. And, unlike the Muslims, I'm not going out and killing anyone who doesn't believe as I do.
All I'm doing is telling them the truth. I'm not hindering their lifestyle. I'm not making them follow Jesus. The choice is still theirs.
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GEEZZZ Geek, take off the blinders babe! Can't you tell love from hate? Let's try another example. When you spank, correct & punish your kids, it might look like you're hurting them but does it mean that you hate them? This is no different. My motive here is love not hatred.

They're not hurting us? Please come out from under your rock and see what's happening. Your statement is the height of ignorance. And, unlike the Muslims, I'm not going out and killing anyone who doesn't believe as I do.
All I'm doing is telling them the truth. I'm not hindering their lifestyle. I'm not making them follow Jesus. The choice is still theirs.
I have never hit my kids and I never will. You are stating what is true for you. It is not true for others. Jesus would be the first to embrace the gay community, just as he did any others that were outcast in His lifetime.
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I'm getting nowhere. Spanking is biblical but....whatever.
Did you notice the 2 babes kissing in the jewelry ad below? I guess that's ok with you?
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I'm getting nowhere. Spanking is biblical but....whatever.
Did you notice the 2 babes kissing in the jewelry ad below? I guess that's ok with you?
its fine with me....

and stoning adulterers was biblical too. should we bring that back as well?
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