The gay clubs of your publik skools

[Nucklesack]

Originally Posted by craberta

I am glad that gay teens have a club. I could never imagine what being gay around ignorant judgemental finger-pointers would be like. My husbands hometown is a prime example, if you are gay, you must leave your home town to live your life. The parents wonder why their kids move away and rarely if ever visit. The children of these that happen to be gay, and have gay hater parents, leave for good. I feel even worse for the ones who force themselves into hetero lifestyles. Be yoursef, be happy, come out of the closet, join the club, there are thousands if not millions of you out there. And gay people have been around since the first human thing crawled out from wherever. It's just the way it is. Go and judge yourself first.

The other point that is missed, This "Club" is not an agenda pushed by the school, even though some on here have reported it as such.

It is a "Club" created by the students exactly the same as a religion club that may be at the School.

[bcp (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Nucklesack

The other point that is missed, This "Club" is not an agenda pushed by the school, even though some on here have reported it as such.

It is a "Club" created by the students exactly the same as a religion club that may be at the School.

but the club is allowed to hang posters, and hand out literature in attempts at coercing straight students to become intune with the needs of the homos.
thus, it is being endorsed by the school.
and that is wrong.
if they want a club then they should go build a tree house or something, they can meet up there and choke on sausage all they want.

[Nucklesack]

Originally Posted by ItalianScallion

Let's correct you mistakes here junior:
First, schools should not be condonning the gay lifestyle.

Its not, just as the School isnt condoning the Christian lifestyle by having a Christian club. It is a Student created and run Club.

Originally Posted by ItalianScallion

Second, God DID damn people to hell for homosexuality. Genesis 19.

First - You are not YOUR GOD, YOUR GOD did the condemnation of S&G, not you. Are you now claiming to be pretentious enough to do YOUR GOD's job for him? (Because you are attempting to do it on here)
Second - You are judging others based on YOUR GOD. Their GOD, who is equally valid, may believe differently. When are you going to argue against a Jewish Club?

Originally Posted by ItalianScallion

Next, Jesus ALSO said: "...make a right judgment when judging" John 7 v 24.

Maybe in YOUR BOOK, in someone elses Book it may not even mention a "Jesus". Who's belief trumps?

Originally Posted by ItalianScallion

Next, Mary was not sinless my friend. Stop listening to the catholic church and read the Bible.

That is YOUR BELIEF, your ignoring that CrinksDNight belief has a different Philosophy about Mary. Let alone your bigotry against the Catholic Church, YOU dont feel its Valid, others disagree.

Originally Posted by ItalianScallion

Next, (there they go again) HOW DARE YOU CONDEMN YOUR FELLOW MAN! Isn't that what you're doing to me when you say this to me?
Finally, the GSA club is a temporary "safe haven". Next!

You actions do all the speaking for you. Your so afraid that some Muslims want to tell you what to believe, when you yourself post comments telling others how their Beliefs are WRONG.

[Nucklesack]

Originally Posted by ItalianScallion

I'm glad someone else here sees it. Good points Toxick

Toxick's points were valid.

But, you were not arguing those, your arguments were based on YOUR BELIEF, from YOUR BOOK, about YOUR GOD. Without taking into account someone elses equally valid belief.

[Nucklesack]

Originally Posted by bcp

but the club is allowed to hang posters, and hand out literature in attempts at coercing straight students to become intune with the needs of the homos.
thus, it is being endorsed by the school.
and that is wrong.
if they want a club then they should go build a tree house or something, they can meet up there and choke on sausage all they want.

Ok so based on that stance, then we should expect to see you post against a Christian club also existing in the school.

[bcp (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Nucklesack

Ok so based on that stance, then we should expect to see you post against a Christian club also existing in the school.

nope.
its already been determined by the anti christians that although a club may be allowed to exist, it may not present posters or pass out flyers looking for new members, because to do so would be a violation of church and state, and would be an endorsement by the school for a religion.

now, once again, if it is endorsement for christian children to act in a certain manner, it must also be endorsement of the homosexual lifestyle for the school to allow the homoclub. (known as the Brokeback Mountaineers)
and, as we have heard many times from the heathen groups, to allow religious views to be seen in school could cause children to become religious, or question why their parents are not religious, and this could undermine the parental right. The same must go for the homosexuals, and since the non religious crowd knows this to be true, it can only be assumed that their goal is to convince the "straight" children to try and dabble in the gay arts.

so what is it, is religion safe to be explored in the schools, or should homosexuality also to be refused.

[Nucklesack]

Originally Posted by bcp

nope.
its already been determined by the anti christians that although a club may be allowed to exist, it may not present posters or pass out flyers looking for new members, because to do so would be a violation of church and state, and would be an endorsement by the school for a religion.

now, once again, if it is endorsement for christian children to act in a certain manner, it must also be endorsement of the homosexual lifestyle for the school to allow the homoclub. (known as the Brokeback Mountaineers)
and, as we have heard many times from the heathen groups, to allow religious views to be seen in school could cause children to become religious, or question why their parents are not religious, and this could undermine the parental right. The same must go for the homosexuals, and since the non religious crowd knows this to be true, it can only be assumed that their goal is to convince the "straight" children to try and dabble in the gay arts.

so what is it, is religion safe to be explored in the schools, or should homosexuality also to be refused.

So your an admitted hypocrite?

If it is wrong for the Gay Club to exist if they :

• Hang Posters
• Hand out literature
• Attempt to get non Gays to understand or accept Gays

then it is wrong for the Christian Club if they also :

• Hang Posters
• Hand out literature
• Attempt to get non Christians to understand or accept Christians

If they allow one club to do it, all should be allowed. Your also confusing a School curriculum with a School Club.

[Toxick]

Originally Posted by Nucklesack

If it is wrong for the Gay Club to exist if they :

• Hang Posters
• Hand out literature
• Attempt to get non Gays to understand or accept Gays

then it is wrong for the Christian Club if they also :

• Hang Posters
• Hand out literature
• Attempt to get non Christians to understand or accept Christians

I think the point you missed is that bcp said that Christian/Religious clubs are currently not allowed to do these things.

Following your above logic, it should also be against the rules for gay clubs to do these things.

Originally Posted by Nucklesack

If they allow one club to do it, all should be allowed.

QED.



Shifting gears:

To be honest with you - I wouldn't mind religious clubs running around schools trying to recruit members - whether they're christians, muslims, jews, buddhists, hindus, scientologists, sikhs, or atheists.

This may sound hypocritical, however, my rationale is not because I have a problem with gays, and it's not because think that religion should be forced on our children.

My logic is thus: Religion, as far as I know, is an accepted facet of society. And it is generally viewed as beneficial to adherents (I have no desire to argue with you the accuracy of the aforementioned view. I'm simply pointing out it's place in society, regardless of your acceptance of it, or mine).

I would view religous clubs, the same way I would view quilting clubs, or scrapbooking clubs, or motor-sports clubs, or D&D clubs. Pretty innocuous.

However: Sex among minors is not accepted in society, and is generally frowned upon for myriad reasons (such as maturity, emotional readiness, etc.) Therefore I do have a problem with sexually based clubs in schools. I would view at it the same way as I would an Sadomasocist club, a foot-fetish club, or a double-penetration club.

And for the record: this includes Heterosexual clubs - if there were such a thing.

[Nucklesack]

Originally Posted by Toxick

I think the point you missed is that bcp said that Christian/Religious clubs are currently not allowed to do these things.

No i ignored his rant that theres some Anti-CHRISTIAN agenda (there is a difference)

Originally Posted by Toxick

Following your above logic, it should also be against the rules for gay clubs to do these things.



QED.

We agree, the rules should be the same across the board, if that was their argument then we wouldnt have a discussion (where's the fun in that). But making an argument against a Student Run club, because a religous belief doesnt allow it, isnt valid.

If the rule allows one club (Christian) to do something, then the other clubs should be accorded the same rulings (in general, i'm sure you'll find some example of something being pertitnent to one club and not another )

Originally Posted by Toxick

Shifting gears:

To be honest with you - I wouldn't mind religious clubs running around schools trying to recruit members - whether they're christians, muslims, jews, buddhists, hindus, scientologists, sikhs, or atheists.

This may sound hypocritical, however, my rationale is not because I have a problem with gays, and it's not because think that religion should be forced on our children.

My logic is thus: Religion, as far as I know, is an accepted facet of society. And it is generally viewed as beneficial to adherents (I have no desire to argue with you the accuracy of the aforementioned view. I'm simply pointing out it's place in society, regardless of your acceptance of it, or mine).

And i dont have a problem with that. But basing the allowance of a club, on a narrow interpretation of one faction of a belief, isnt valid (wasnt saying you were).

Some Christian faiths allow and treat homo-sexuals the same as hetero's.

Originally Posted by Toxick

I would view religous clubs, the same way I would view quilting clubs, or scrapbooking clubs, or motor-sports clubs, or D&D clubs. Pretty innocuous.

However: Sex among minors is not accepted in society, and is generally frowned upon for myriad reasons (such as maturity, emotional readiness, etc.) Therefore I do have a problem with sexually based clubs in schools. I would view at it the same way as I would an Sadomasocist club, a foot-fetish club, or a double-penetration club.

And for the record: this includes Heterosexual clubs - if there were such a thing.

You took a different path with the Gay / Straight alliance. I wasnt arguing from a sexual point (although i'll give you that homosexual is a sexual... act) i took the club as more of a meeting place for Gay's and Hetero's to gather and chat (hence the "Alliance"). Also as a place for Gay students to discuss dealing with life or for Hetero students to discuss life with Gay parents. (admittedly i took the more innocent... maybe naive stance)

[foodcritic]

Originally Posted by Nucklesack

Some Christian faiths allow and treat homo-sexuals the same as hetero's.


You took a different path with the Gay / Straight alliance. I wasnt arguing from a sexual point (although i'll give you that homosexual is a sexual... act) i took the club as more of a meeting place for Gay's and Hetero's to gather and chat (hence the "Alliance"). Also as a place for Gay students to discuss dealing with life or for Hetero students to discuss life with Gay parents. (admittedly i took the more innocent... maybe naive stance)

Is this the answer? If we accept one club then we must accept all clubs, is that the understanding? This argument seems to fall flat also. To prove that it would take a couple of students to start a "white club" or "Nazi" club or any other club which stirrs up hatred. I would be in line saying no way to these clubs but knucklehead or sack , if we follow his reasoning to it's logical conclusion, would have to allow it.

I asked some Jaclyn and her commrade from GM some simple questions. They have never responded to them. We need to have standards. Who is going to set them.....