Golden West Way

[exnodak]

Originally Posted by ladyhawk

Interesting reading.....
I've not heard anything remotely close to what you are stating here.

I understand that there are environmental laws protecting the beetles and the tidal waters at both state and federal levels.. I never heard anyone being exempted from those laws...

So how is it that POACRE is exempt from those laws which would allow us to shore up the cliffs to prevent loosing the road way and/or homes along that road...? Show me!

June

There is no such law that would prevent mitigation of erosion. It is simply a matter of proper permitting. How else does everyone else on the cliffs manage to place surge rock and bulldoze the cliffs to a manageable slope? Do you think they just all do it illegally (admittedly some do).

The following law specifically PERMITS the incidental taking of the tiger beetle under conditions. ["incidental taking" as in the process of repairing a section of road.]

Maryland Code
NATURAL RESOURCES
TITLE 10. Wildlife.
Subtitle 2A. Nongame and Endangered Species Conservation Act.

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§ 10-2A-05.1 NAT. RES. Permit authorizing incidental taking of
Puritan Tiger Bettle.


Start with the very first house North of first beach. Then homes on Taos trail and then at the end of Algonquin. Many have modified the cliffs through permits (some after the fact) and have reinforced with rock. A quick veiw using google earth will show where this is done.


So, lets not be blaming anything more on the environmentalists or the state. This is squarely in the lap of the POACRE BOD.

[hotcoffee]

All this jabber and I still don't know what is going on!

Where is the problem on Golden West Way?

What is the particular issue causing us to turn around? A few years ago a car broke through a barriar on the western side of the road and we had to close the road to shore it up. Was there another cave in? East or West side? Near what intersection? Was anyone hurt? Is there danger of a cave in? What intersection or area does it impact?

Who originated this decision to close the road to thru traffic? Was there a police report? Is this a public safety hazzard?

Who contacted the Board of Ed and the County Bus System? Will they be altering the time schedules on Monday and how will the parents be notified? How are the schedules for those services changed?

I looked at the web page for POACRE and I didn't see anything. I checked the local paper and saw no announcement. This is not intended to be a slam on anyone but I would appreciate some more information so I came here to get it..... I've been out of the loop with Lyme and I saw the notice on the sign boards....

Becky

[CREResident]

http://www.poacre.org/picture/map_of_closure.pdf
Here's a link with a map of the closure. My inlaws live not far from there on Golden West Way... I think this happened in the same spot before.... In a few areas, the side of the road (not the bay side) is a steep drop and there is not enough land underneath to support a road.

[exnodak]

There has been several collapses of the cliff on the BAY SIDE of GWW near Towanka Court. About 750 feet of GWW is in imminent danger of collapse.

D.H., at the request of the roads committee, solicited and recieved a P.E. opinion on the matter. The P.E. said CLOSE IMMEDIATELY.

BECAUSE there is now a P.E. opinion, they have to act on the problem. They have known about this since the beginning of POACRE. The BOD has specifically NOT gotten a professional opinion because they would obviously have to address the problem or face individual liablity for negligence if something bad happened. Without a professional opinion they had some notion they could claim ignorance. Not unlike the governing documents matter.

Now the POACRE Board is controlling info and spinning themselves into butter and blaming the tiger beetle.

[hotcoffee]

Originally Posted by CREResident

http://www.poacre.org/picture/map_of_closure.pdf
Here's a link with a map of the closure. My inlaws live not far from there on Golden West Way... I think this happened in the same spot before.... In a few areas, the side of the road (not the bay side) is a steep drop and there is not enough land underneath to support a road.

That is the area I thought it was in. A few years ago a driver went off the road there and took out some of the barrier along the side.

Thank you for the information. Do you know if there has been a schedule sent to the parents? It's mighty cold for those kids to be standing out there waiting on the bus. Is there a safe turn around for the school bus down there?

[vemoon]

Originally Posted by hotcoffee

That is the area I thought it was in. A few years ago a driver went off the road there and took out some of the barrier along the side.

Thank you for the information. Do you know if there has been a schedule sent to the parents? It's mighty cold for those kids to be standing out there waiting on the bus. Is there a safe turn around for the school bus down there?

HotCoffee

As I stated earlier in this post the Board of Ed was contacted. I personally contacted the Superintendent at John Eney and Debora Huddleston's request. According to an email I recevied from Dr. Smith, they were already working on rerouting the buses and informing all parents/students affected by the rerouting by phone. This was done last week. I do not have specifics on where the students will be picked up from the Board of Ed but it is my understanding that everything has been taken care of for the start of school on Monday. As with any change, I am sure there will be snags that will need to be ironed out but they won't know until the buses actually start running again on Monday.

Anyone living on Golden West Way who have concerns about their child's bus schedule and have not heard from the BOE regarding a change in pick up/drop off of their child /children need to contact the BOE. Ed Cassidy is in charge of Student Transportation.

Veronica

Originally Posted by exnodak

There has been several collapses of the cliff on the BAY SIDE of GWW near Towanka Court. About 750 feet of GWW is in imminent danger of collapse.

D.H., at the request of the roads committee, solicited and recieved a P.E. opinion on the matter. The P.E. said CLOSE IMMEDIATELY.

BECAUSE there is now a P.E. opinion, they have to act on the problem. They have known about this since the beginning of POACRE. The BOD has specifically NOT gotten a professional opinion because they would obviously have to address the problem or face individual liablity for negligence if something bad happened. Without a professional opinion they had some notion they could claim ignorance. Not unlike the governing documents matter.

Now the POACRE Board is controlling info and spinning themselves into butter and blaming the tiger beetle.

Thanks for the information. I had no idea there was actually a serious situation over there.

Is POACRE going to do anything to notify its membership other than the little church style bulletin board?

[johnycarcinogen]

Originally Posted by shiki

Thanks for the information. I had no idea there was actually a serious situation over there.

Is POACRE going to do anything to notify its membership other than the little church style bulletin board?

Go to the board meeting Monday night.

Originally Posted by johnycarcinogen

Go to the board meeting Monday night.

I will. Do you know what time?

[johnycarcinogen]

Originally Posted by shiki

I will. Do you know what time?

No. But Hotcoffee or vemoon or exnodak should know.

All I saw on the "church style signs" was Board Meeting 1/4/10 - LL (lower level of admin building).