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Old 11-19-2012, 11:10 AM   #41
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But it's not just about you, but about the market as a whole, and what consumers look at when they decide what truck to buy.
True, but I'm going to take wild guess that about more than half of truck owners never tow anything and if they do it is rarely and probably way below cap. And how are they going to know which ones hauls it's load the quickest? Commercials? I still wonder why no truck manufactor offer a dump the bed option.
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Old 11-19-2012, 11:17 AM   #42
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True, but I'm going to take wild guess that about more than half of truck owners never tow anything and if they do it is rarely and probably way below cap. And how are they going to know which ones hauls it's load the quickest? Commercials? I still wonder why no truck manufactor offer a dump the bed option.
I can see two reasons:

Niche market, not much call for something like that on a truck less than a 2500 series. Available as aftermarket tho.

Probably too much temptation to fill the bed beyond capacity. Very easy to exceed the rated load on a 1500 series (I've done it..). Then the customer tries to get warranty fixes for bent axles and frame insisting they didn't exceed ratings.
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Old 11-19-2012, 11:23 AM   #43
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But that shows Toyota with high reliability, 4.0 out of 5. The exterior is what knocked them down, with a mediocre rating because other trucks look more "aggressive." The performance is also a bit lower, but still good.
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But that shows Toyota with high reliability, 4.0 out of 5. The exterior is what knocked them down, with a mediocre rating because other trucks look more "aggressive." The performance is also a bit lower, but still good.
I know. I'm surprised reliabilty doesn't count for more than "you can get better options" on the others or "better ride". They don't get very good mileage compared to the others or at least they didn't a few years ago.
As far as aggressive if you saw the TRD Rock Climber you'd have to laugh at that comment. You have to get a Ford Raptor to look tougher.
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Old 11-19-2012, 12:06 PM   #45
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But that shows Toyota with high reliability, 4.0 out of 5. The exterior is what knocked them down, with a mediocre rating because other trucks look more "aggressive." The performance is also a bit lower, but still good.
I'm really shocked the exterior took a hit, I loved the way my Tundra looked. I had it for 5.5 years and never had 1 single issue with it.
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Old 11-19-2012, 12:20 PM   #46
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I know. I'm surprised reliabilty doesn't count for more than "you can get better options" on the others or "better ride". They don't get very good mileage compared to the others or at least they didn't a few years ago.
As far as aggressive if you saw the TRD Rock Climber you'd have to laugh at that comment. You have to get a Ford Raptor to look tougher.
Here's one that I found on Toyota's page. Well, it's a Rock Warrior. I'm not sure if it's the same one that you're talking about. I know a few people that have Tundras and they love them.
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Old 11-20-2012, 06:24 AM   #47
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Here's one that I found on Toyota's page. Well, it's a Rock Warrior. I'm not sure if it's the same one that you're talking about. I know a few people that have Tundras and they love them.
Could be I got the name wrong. That looks like it. Looks better in dark grey.
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Nah, most likely just a reboot of the P/S motor controller, command to turn off comes over databus, and the P/S controller motor lost comms with the main ECU. Reboot, get them talking again, all good.
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They are my new heroes and I cannot express enough how much I love love love them.

The sales department of both Toyota and Hyundai have also made a huge improvement since the last time we tried to deal there. We are happy customers.
(Mopar trucks are marginally OK if you don't treat them like a truck)
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The sales department of both Toyota and Hyundai have also made a huge improvement since the last time we tried to deal there. We are happy customers.
(Mopar trucks are marginally OK if you don't treat them like a truck)
They made a big change, management wise. Old general sales manager was replaced by someone with lots of experience. He was promoted from within their company, used to be their finance director. He's got experience running dealerships so he knows all about Sales, Finance and management. And he's doing a fabulous job.....if I do say so myself.
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