Death at the Brass Rail

[kom526]

Originally Posted by Baja28

Look folks, this is actually a good thing. Now this idiot cannot procreate and the other idiot will prolly do some time preventing him from procreating.

I look for the strawberry in everything.

His girlfriend is pregnant according to the comments I read. Don't expect a thank you note for helping foot that bill.

[inkah12102]

So, the man's FATHER was there and the best he had was to ask the responders why they weren't helping?

I wonder what it was about the scene that scared EMS - was it simply the description that came over the radio? Was it violent when they got there? Was it just too dark? What?

Was there ever a point where someone realized the man was dying?

Couldn't a friend or family have removed the man from the scene in order to allow paramedics to help in a "safer" environment?

Were there ANY alternate suggestions made by either EMT or friends and family??

Did the family try in ANY way to help their own? How about getting verbal help from EMT - as in "place your hands here, and count while pressing...?

Trading a life for protocol seems pretty harsh for a "friendly" scene. Doesn't really look like either side is at all interested in finding any resolution and nobody seems to be looking in the mirror here. All defensiveness, accusation and bigotry. Nothing will change.

Responses to the article from BOTH sides seem piggish and ignorant. My favorite: "If you don't like it, LEAVE." Heaven forbid we try to be better.

[aps45819]

Originally Posted by inkah12102

Trading a life for protocol seems pretty harsh for a "friendly" scene.

Somebody probably died to establish the protocol




... and people don't get choked to death in a friendly setting

[inkah12102]

Originally Posted by aps45819

Somebody probably died to establish the protocol

... and people don't get choked to death in a friendly setting

How does the call to "stage" get made? And what was the basis for it in this case?

[kom526]

Originally Posted by inkah12102

How does the call to "stage" get made? And what was the basis for it in this case?

The complaintant called the control tower (911) how are they to know they were "play fighting"? As far as the caller knew there was a fight going on.

[inkah12102]

Originally Posted by kom526

The complaintant called the control tower (911) how are they to know they were "play fighting"? As far as the caller knew there was a fight going on.

did you listen to the recording? the very first thing that came out was that it was a play fight w/ friends

[inkah12102]

Originally Posted by kom526

The complaintant called the control tower (911) how are they to know they were "play fighting"? As far as the caller knew there was a fight going on.

surely the caller doesn't make a stage call

does the 911 operator give that order? (doesn't seem so, since in the recording you hear her say, "He has them staging")

Who decided and why - that is what I am wondering.

[mdff21]

Any type of call that involves a fight, assault, drugs (overdose) where weapons may be prresent the first responderes are told the scene is not secure. Once they get that message, the protocal of staging comes into play. The protocal is not a St. Mary's thing or a volunteer thing, it is a national thing that career departments have to follow. The first responders are REQUIRED to stage in an area of close proximity until law enforcement arrives. Once law enforcements arrives and insures that the scene is safe, the first responders move in to treat the victim. There have been recorded instances where the crowd or patient (overdoses) turned on the first responders for treating the victim.

Those of you that are upset by this, put yourself in the shoes of the first responders....you are responding to a bar fight and find a victim down, you rush in and the suspect pulls a gun on you and says, let him die. What are you going to do?

Sadly, that message was not sent as the dispatcher was unaware of the situation in West Webster New York. The fire department was dispatched for a fire and upon arrival 4 firefighters were shot, killing 2 of them. The fire department then back out of the area until the police could secure the area.

[CobbWeb]

Originally Posted by inkah12102

did you listen to the recording? the very first thing that came out was that it was a play fight w/ friends

And no one would ever make a statement that was not completely accurate to avoid getting into trouble.

The dispatcher and the responders make the decision whether to stage or not based on the available information. If there is potential for scene to be unsafe they will stage and wait for Police to advise.

[inkah]

Originally Posted by mdff21

Any type of call that involves a fight, assault, drugs (overdose) where weapons may be prresent the first responderes are told the scene is not secure. Once they get that message, the protocal of staging comes into play. The protocal is not a St. Mary's thing or a volunteer thing, it is a national thing that career departments have to follow. The first responders are REQUIRED to stage in an area of close proximity until law enforcement arrives. Once law enforcements arrives and insures that the scene is safe, the first responders move in to treat the victim. There have been recorded instances where the crowd or patient (overdoses) turned on the first responders for treating the victim.

Those of you that are upset by this, put yourself in the shoes of the first responders....you are responding to a bar fight and find a victim down, you rush in and the suspect pulls a gun on you and says, let him die. What are you going to do

Sadly, that message was not sent as the dispatcher was unaware of the situation in West Webster New York. The fire department was dispatched for a fire and upon arrival 4 firefighters were shot, killing 2 of them. The fire department then back out of the area until the police could secure the area.

did ANY of that happen here? Did you listen to the recording? The very first thing the dispatcher said was "play fight". Who decided the situation was violent and why? Do you have an answer? Or just another emotionally charged, yet unrelated story?