Contractor question

[MarieB]

Originally Posted by BOP

Yes, and it wasn't that long ago that collecting unemployment was considered shameful.

I think it still is for many people

[Hoover]

I lost my contract with DoD. I am unemployed since 11/2011 :(

[DooDoo1402]

Originally Posted by Beta84

btw, some of the NAWCs went to something called "STRL" -- look it up. Much better than GS because it actually considers performance instead of other arbitrary factors that should never be used.

Why would I? It doesn't affect or bother me. And unless the worker is on production (which most of us are not), no pay-for-performance is any good. You simply can't measure performance of someone that has no production or plan since a majority of our work changes rapidly every minute of the day. Some people believe there is a way to measure that. I disagree! After 30+ years of fed agencies, I have seen it tried over and over. Each one with their own label and failure! And a PFP only works if everyone is on board. Don't ever see that happening either.

[migtig]

Originally Posted by Hoover

I lost my contract with DoD. I am unemployed since 11/2011 :(

[czygvtwkr]

Originally Posted by DooDoo1402

Why would I? It doesn't affect or bother me.

So you went spouting off about something that you know nothing about when you should have kept quiet.

[DEEKAYPEE8569]

Originally Posted by czygvtwkr

So you went spouting off about something that you know nothing about when you should have kept quiet.

Last I head; nobody is sure of anything as far as furloughs or reducing hours is concerned. I guess we live in fear of April until April.

[GWguy]

Originally Posted by kwillia

Staggering days would mean the full cost of an open facility... I would think there would be bigger savings if the offices were shut down that day as well.

Wasn't that the original intention of CWS, to close the facility one day a week and save on facilities costs? Didn't last long when programs decided they need to be there Fridays anyway.

[RJO]

Originally Posted by DooDoo1402

Exactly my point. You don't know or understand the GS system. BIG DEAL you worked under it... I work with many clowns who have decades of opportunities to understand it... all they would do is crawl into work complaining how messed up it is. I know the NAWCs moved to a pay for performance but I know little about it. I don't work there.

The GS system is not the perfect system, but by far it is the best system out there... if it is used properly! Most seasoned management and HR have never been trained or taught about it and weaseled their way up by brown-nose, not having attributes to be a good manager. HR have become a hypocrisy and strong arm of managment over the years. In fact, they changed their name to total workforce and dismissed the human.. cause all they do is operate for management's pleasure! Wait till you need to retire to see what HR has become.

So, you knew co-workers that were hard to get rid of? Emphasis "co-worker". Maybe YOU were the problem. That slug in the process who does nothing and knows little to contribute. And IF these co-workers were non-performers and still are.. then it is your management's fault! The GS system has tools and rules to ensure those non-performers become performers, or they can be dismissed or fired! If the supervisor doesn't know how, then bad on them! In our competency I have witnessed several non-performers "let go" in months time because they failed to produce! The rules and the laws are there. BUT! those same rules and laws are there to protect from abusive managers too! News Flash! We do have lots of abusive managers on board. Go read FederalSoup.com of the many stories!

I am not trying to sound negative toward you, but read through the whole thread. Maybe common sense might kick in... maybe not. You too can be somebody, or you can be just another somd.com idiot with a slick come back to any post that doesn't appeal to your online gansta board mommie agendas!

STRL system, you get rated a 1 two years in a row its an automatic firing. GS system was silly. Rewarded for time in service instead of what you did. The guy in question was given plenty of chances for almost 3 years under the GS system and then NSPS and then finally under STRL the barricades stopping us from ridding ourselves of him came down.

[czygvtwkr]

Originally Posted by RJO

STRL system, you get rated a 1 two years in a row its an automatic firing. GS system was silly. Rewarded for time in service instead of what you did. The guy in question was given plenty of chances for almost 3 years under the GS system and then NSPS and then finally under STRL the barricades stopping us from ridding ourselves of him came down.

I know quite a few people and have yet to meet anyone that got rated a 1 or a 5. My only real problem with it is if you constantly get 3's you actually fall behind. Over the four years I have been in them I have gotten 4, 3, 3, 4 and am only 4k over where I would have been in GS.

[Sweet 16]

Originally Posted by MarieB

Unemployment and other government funded programs are also considered entitlements, and I would say that there are many people who probably feel a stigma by apllying for and using food stamps too.

I think if you're going to offer to do something for someone, then you do it because you want to and not to make it about yourself and your opinions about the system, and especially when you try to embarrass the person (whom you know nothing about) you are "helping". It's a ####ty thing to do.

I didn't say there weren't people who feel stigmatized by foodstamps, but there are an awful lot who don't and use that as well as other entitlements as income sources instead of actually working. I'm not talking about low-paid military families, elderly or the truly disabled who are deserving of these programs. I mean the welfare queens who keep popping out babies and others who game the system so they don't have to work.

I have been on unemployment more than once and have done my darndest to get off it as quickly as possible (usually within a matter of weeks). I would much rather be working than sitting on my butt relying on taxpayers to support me.