Contractor question

[migtig]

Originally Posted by MADPEBS1

i think it wll be for that 22 week period that we will lose 20%, I HOPE. using easy numbers this is what i figured.
1923*52 = ~100000
1923 * 30 = ~57690
1539*22 = ~33858 - this is a 20% cut from weekly
33858+57690 = 91548 for year ~ 8500 cut ????? Not 20000 if it was 20% of yearly

this is what i'm hoping, maybe i'm wrong in figuring it this way....

Your math is funny to me (math hurts), so let me give it a go using the simple kind of math.

So let's say

I make $200 a week (40 hours times $5 an hour)
I pay my 401K $20 a week
I pay a pre-tax savings plan $20 a week
I pay my dental plan at $10 a week
I pay my health insurance at $20 a week
(and I'm not counting my taxes, FICA and all that other crap)
So that means my take home is around $130 a week

Furlough happens and instead of $200
I now make $160 a week (32 hours times $5 an hour)
I still pay my 401K $20 a week
I still pay my pre-tax savings plan $20 a week
I still pay my dental plan $10 a week
I still pay my health insurance $20 a week
(And I'm still not counting my taxes, FICA and all that other crap)
So that means now my take home is around $90 a week

So where's my disposable income? You think 22 weeks isn't a big deal?

It can mean the difference between some families making a choice between their mortgage or car payments.

It can mean the difference between feeding the kids or letting them participate in band/football/whatever club.

Actually may be much more drastic choices than that.

So 22 weeks of families who are already living paycheck to paycheck having to make choices like this...what do you think is going to happen?

And my next question is, if the Balanced Budget isn't passed at the end of that 22 weeks, do you really think the furlough will stop at just 22 weeks?

[sockgirl77 (Premo)]

Originally Posted by migtig

So where's my disposable income? You think 22 weeks isn't a big deal?

Yeah, no crap. If I lose that day's pay then I cannot afford to pay daycare for the entire week. I have to pay for that day regardless if the kids are there or not.

[Beta84]

Originally Posted by BernieP

I don't know what world you live in but it's not NAWCAD. First, NSPS and STRL are birds of a feather and frankly not that much different from what the private sector does.
In the private sector your compensation is based on two things, your performance and relative value to the organization AND the company budget.
Managers have to evaluate the employees and then figure out how to disburse the budget they are given.
NAWC more or less seperated the two, supervisors do the performance appraisal but it's the paypool managers that disburse the funds. Supervisors are not suppose to tell you what "number" they put you in for, you just get the comments about your self assessment to go on.
Management has been very clear, that "shares" would be disbursed on a standard distribution - that means for every 5, there is a 1, for every 4, a 2 and the majority are at 3. I saw the results for one department and there were like 2 5's and 4, 4's - very few out of several hundred employees.
The PFP concept allows a little more latitude in fixing compensation over the GS plan.
GS was down to pass / fail and almost nobody failed - because frankly it was to hard to substantiate their subpar performance.

Another myth is that it's easy to "fire" a bad employee in the private sector - it's not. Typically the employer will "lay off" a really bad employee rather than fight the unemployement claim. Firing for cause is just as difficult.
Frankly it's a time consuming process and unless the employee really begs for it, most supervisors will simply work around them rather than start the process of compiling the documentary evidence to support termination.

Good post. But I figured out that DooDoo is full of doodoo. The whole "I worked in the private sector and used STRL and NSPS and all of the other pay for performance scales, but GS is still the best way to evaluate people" is utter baloney. Doodoo is probably either a) naive, b) old and/or lazy where the GS scale benefits him, or c) didn't really do everything that he claimed and is just being obnoxious. Regardless, it's not worth the time.

Originally Posted by DooDoo1402

And apparently you never learned the GS system either. Typical. Move on with your baloney and if you're content with their system, fine.

Everyone knows the GS scale. It's rudimentary. You forget that the NAWCs were on the GS scale until just a few years ago when they swapped to NSPS, so they have a better understanding of each one than someone who was in NAVAIR HQ and stayed GS the entire time. BTW, good job with your claim that you're done with the argument.

[MADPEBS1]

Originally Posted by migtig

Your math is funny to me (math hurts), so let me give it a go using the simple kind of math.

So let's say

I make $200 a week (40 hours times $5 an hour)
I pay my 401K $20 a week
I pay a pre-tax savings plan $20 a week
I pay my dental plan at $10 a week
I pay my health insurance at $20 a week
(and I'm not counting my taxes, FICA and all that other crap)
So that means my take home is around $130 a week

Furlough happens and instead of $200
I now make $160 a week (32 hours times $5 an hour)
I still pay my 401K $20 a week
I still pay my pre-tax savings plan $20 a week
I still pay my dental plan $10 a week
I still pay my health insurance $20 a week
(And I'm still not counting my taxes, FICA and all that other crap)
So that means now my take home is around $90 a week

So where's my disposable income? You think 22 weeks isn't a big deal?

It can mean the difference between some families making a choice between their mortgage or car payments.

It can mean the difference between feeding the kids or letting them participate in band/football/whatever club.

Actually may be much more drastic choices than that.

So 22 weeks of families who are already living paycheck to paycheck having to make choices like this...what do you think is going to happen?

And my next question is, if the Balanced Budget isn't passed at the end of that 22 weeks, do you really think the furlough will stop at just 22 weeks?

Never said it's NOT a big deal. I don't want even 8500 in this example taken from my pocket...

OBTW there is now a FURLOUGH CALCULATOR floating around base emails.

[RJO]

Originally Posted by MADPEBS1

Never said it's NOT a big deal. I don't want even 8500 in this example taken from my pocket...

OBTW there is now a FURLOUGH CALCULATOR floating around base emails.

Calculator doesn't adjust the tax rate for the reduction in pay and people have to figure out their own tax rate (seems like most people fail to realize they need to do that)

[abcxyz]

It is called welcome to what life is like for the non-government/non-government contractor gravy train sector where many can't pay in to their 401K, pre-tax savings plan, kids already aren't in band/football/whatever club. Thankfully I'm not in this boat but know many that are.

I'm sure someone will say I'm jealous of the government/government contractor pay/career and I assure you nothing could be further from the truth.

[MADPEBS1]

Originally Posted by RJO

Calculator doesn't adjust the tax rate for the reduction in pay and people have to figure out their own tax rate (seems like most people fail to realize they need to do that)

ya i understand and just figured mine out and it hurt.

[nomoney]

Originally Posted by abcxyz

It is called welcome to what life is like for the non-government/non-government contractor gravy train sector where many can't pay in to their 401K, pre-tax savings plan, kids already aren't in band/football/whatever club. Thankfully I'm not in this boat but know many that are.

I'm sure someone will say I'm jealous of the government/government contractor pay/career and I assure you nothing could be further from the truth.

What sector would that be?

[Beta84]

Originally Posted by abcxyz

It is called welcome to what life is like for the non-government/non-government contractor gravy train sector where many can't pay in to their 401K, pre-tax savings plan, kids already aren't in band/football/whatever club. Thankfully I'm not in this boat but know many that are.

I'm sure someone will say I'm jealous of the government/government contractor pay/career and I assure you nothing could be further from the truth.

I nominate this for dumbest post of the year. Doodoo is off the hook.

[abcxyz]

Originally Posted by nomoney

What sector would that be?

Being that there are over 22M unemployed and almost 20% of the working population is underemployed; take your pick of which sector you would like it to be and you won't be wrong.