Marine discharged over online Obama comments

[Bay_Kat (Premo)]

Sorry if this was already posted. It's important to watch what you say on line. Even though most of what he said is true.

Washington (CNN) -- A Marine who used his Facebook page to criticize President Barack Obama has been discharged, a Marine Corps spokesman said Wednesday.

Sgt. Gary Stein was given an "other-than-honorable" discharge, said Capt. Brian Block, a spokesman for the Marines.

Among other comments posted to his Facebook page, Stein called Obama a liar and suggested he would not follow some orders issued by the president.

Marine discharged over online Obama comments - CNN.com

[RPMDAD]

Bay Kat, you are quick kid, was just getting ready to post the same thing, and saw your post.

[Bay_Kat (Premo)]

Originally Posted by RPMDAD

Bay Kat, you are quick kid, was just getting ready to post the same thing, and saw your post.

I saw it an hour ago, figured someone would have posted it, since no one did, I went ahead.

[Gummie]

Enlisted oath

I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

I understand the enilisted man made a written statement on his facebook page that he would not follow orders given by Obama. Not a good idea, whoever the Commander in Chief happens to be.

[glhs837]

Originally Posted by Gummie

Enlisted oath

I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

I understand the enilisted man made a written statement on his facebook page that he would not follow orders given by Obama. Not a good idea, whoever the Commander in Chief happens to be.

In reality, it's actually a military persons duty not to obey orders that are not in accordance with the Constitution. Say orders to round up members of Congress, or wage war on law abiding citizens.

But he said, if I heard it right, that he wouldn't obey "unlawful" orders. A deciding what orders are lawful, thats a toughie. Barring simple cases like the ones I postulated, it would be very hard to claim to have the legality of any given order as something one person alone could decide.

[DoWhat (Premo)]

The Marine should be invited to the White House for a cold beer.

[Gummie]

The other problem is the Hatch Act. If he posted the "political" comment while pictured in uniform, then it becomes a violation of the Hatch Act. One must learn to separate the personal/professional while in the military.

[awpitt]

Originally Posted by Gummie

Enlisted oath

I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

I understand the enilisted man made a written statement on his facebook page that he would not follow orders given by Obama. Not a good idea, whoever the Commander in Chief happens to be.

Good point. If one can't fulfill their oath, they shouldn't sign the contract and take the oath.

[awpitt]

Originally Posted by glhs837

In reality, it's actually a military persons duty not to obey orders that are not in accordance with the Constitution. Say orders to round up members of Congress, or wage war on law abiding citizens.

But he said, if I heard it right, that he wouldn't obey "unlawful" orders. A deciding what orders are lawful, thats a toughie. Barring simple cases like the ones I postulated, it would be very hard to claim to have the legality of any given order as something one person alone could decide.

Senior enlisteds give lawful/unlawful orders. Officers give direct orders. There's a difference.

[justiceforall]

Originally Posted by awpitt

Senior enlisteds give lawful/unlawful orders. Officers give direct orders. There's a difference.

Are you saying that an officer can not give an unlawful order?