Fellowship of The Rings

[Hessian]

Funny,...one thing I learned a while ago regarding debate is to have a clear definition of terms... Right?

Jimmy...referencing my previous stand on Harry potter-you know very clearly why I have condemned it...no need to cue that videotape again. But, would you agree that the use of evil things for an intended good does not work out?

ie. Churches hold gambling night to raise more $$$ and guess what-they still can't meet their budgets. ("Don't turn my house into a den of thieves!")

You can't play with sorcery, incantation, shape changing, curses, speaking to the dead etc---for a good cause.
Gandolf is urged to apply the ring's powers and do greater deeds! ...He refuses, knowing that it ultimately corrupts.

Eve was offered power..."you will be like God, knowing good & evil"-she went for it and paid dearly.

Now on to that definition of terms thing:
may I quote you JR?
"Potter, as a human boy, exhibits typical behavior of human boys (ie some disobedience, some rebellion) but none of that is EVIL."
So, what does this make your definition of Evil? If disobedience and rebellion doesn't make the list,..umm, how about a little white lie-no, that's not evil...um, how about stealing if you wanted to pay it back...na, that's not evil either right?
Do you get my drift? Don't belittle evil, don't water it down, don't reserve it to just a few "biggies."-you make a huge gray zone without a clear right & wrong.
JR,I bet I didn't clarify the issue for you did I?
Veritas, (truth)

[Jimmyrich]

No, Hessain, I actually do find some understanding in what you said.  My perception of "evil" is surely more grey than one that you would accept. In fact, I tend to agree with the idea that "good" and "evil" don't even really exist in any underlying form.  They, to me, are social constructs designed to separate the productive from counterproductive things/behaviors in life.
Example:
-Military might: missles, bombs, guns, knives: all things that are "evil" in that their very nature is to destroy/kill. However we use them in our "war on terrorism" and it's for "good."
-Disobedience/rebellion: Civil Rights, The Revolutionary War, Ending Apartheid; all rebellions against the norm of the time but all were viewed as steps forward in our history.
In both cases, the acts/objects themselves carry no inherint "evil" because, depending on the circumstances, they CAN do a great good.  So merely applying a blanket definition of Evil into Black and White, Cut and Dry terms isn't really a practical way of defining the world as far as I'm concerned.  "thou shalt not steal, kill, lie etc...except when applicable? This world is far too complex for that.

[Ken King (Premo)]

PmoneyandTT,

When you say, “Watching the Wizards play - what does that have to do with anything.. I don't own the team - so I can't pick the name - if I could it wouldn't of been wizards.. Thats a stupid name - just like alot of other NBA names..” That is exactly the point you missed during the Harry Potter discussion. #Reading, or now watching, Harry Potter is just a fantasy book/movie being enjoyed by many people old and young. #It has inspired children to become avid readers. #It neither condones nor encourages any type of behavior you described. #It doesn’t mean a thing. #It’s only a book. #My wife has read the four books at least three times and took one of the grandkids to the movie. #She loved all of it and has provided me with some excellent insight into the book. It is simply a fantasy, no different from any entertainment item out there. #It has nothing to do with Satanic worship, curses, or demonic behavior. #It, as most stories, is a battle of good versus evil and Harry is the good. #Harry and friends use a little magic to get the job done, but everyone knows it is fantasy, highly entertaining fantasy.

If you don’t want to read it or see it, just as I have no desire to, that is fine. #If you don’t want to let your kids experience shear enjoyment and fun of one’s imagination, that is your call. #Just don’t try to make it out to be a Satanic guide to witchcraft as that is not what it is. #You’ll probably have a problem with these books and movies because it has a lot of the same sort of fantasy and, you know, fun. #


(Edited by Ken King at 8:05 pm on Dec. 19, 2001)

[playwithme]

Oh you guys are way to serious.. Kinda like my dad's friends. I will stay far away from this topic.

[SxyPrincess]

Yes "play" stay far, far away!!!!!  

[KaZamm1061]

Thanks play. Would be much appreciated. :Smile:

[playwithme]

zamm - $6800 for a ring - you are way to cheap..

ha ha ha ha ha

Sxy makes 6 figures - she should be able to buy her own ring - get you one also..

[PmoneyandTT]

I don't remember putting christy in any category..

I read my bible - I believe what I read - I lead my life in obedience. THE KEY word is I..

And Play - come on girl join the fun. What do you think about all of this lord of the rings? do you know anything about the movie or books?  

[SxyPrincess]

Play,

You know...it's not the cost of a "ring" that matters.  It's the love for each other when you are in a relationship.  

One day you will grow up and learn there's more to life than money.  And maybe one day you will pay your OWN bills instead of daddy forking out the funds.

Jealousy isn't going to get you anywhere...so don't hate!!!

[PmoneyandTT]

If its true what she is saying - I don't think she will have to pay for any bills.. Usually when your rich - your not in debt...

Your right its about the love - but dang 1 or 2 carats looks nice on some nicely done nails..