Harry Potter...

[andwhat]

hey blonde,
don't be jumping on me about being close minded, i at least gave christianity a try and simply tried to figure out any logical argument these people had against Harry Potter. I was open enough to listen to their arguments and their justifications, but alas they didn't present anything besides I'm a christian and I say so and thats why.
Besides you're the one that says: don't try to teach a pig to sing....
What if its a magical singing pig with a spell cast on it?
How do you know a pig can't sing if you never try, answer you don't. Thats what having an open mind is about. And since you were nice enought ot take my quote out of context I was put it into context for you. If you read everything leading up to that line you will notice how I said that I read everything I could to try and experience them and learn and keep an open mind. So that I wouldn't become closeminded like them.

[John]

Hmmmm...

No. Instead you brand them as "bigots, morons, Jesus Freaks etc." and label them "intolerant".

To this agnostic it seems to me, Jimmy, andwhat and Daniel are being the intolerant ones.

The left loves to brand and gag. That's essentially what shouting them down everytime they profess their beliefs intends to do....Gag their ideas.

I'd say you've epitomized "intolerant"!

You originally asked Pmoney why she wouldn't take her kids to see it and have been blasting those that disagreed ever since. #It's a damn movie. How does it harm you that she doesn't like it? #

Get over it!

[John]

Quote: I was open enough to listen to their arguments and their justifications, but alas they didn't present anything besides I'm a christian and I say so and thats why.

So why isn't that enough of a reason?

[vraiblonde]

Jimmy, what on Earth are you talking about?  This is the Harry Potter forum - nobody's said anything in here about gays.  Or are you insinuating that Harry Potter is gay and in need of protection?

Now andwhat wants to teach magical pigs to sing - ya'll are too much.

[andwhat]

Because the whole point of enetering a forum is to voice your opinion and explain to others why you think that way and to discuss it. To say its evil is fine as long as you say why you think that way and try and explain it. But for much of the forum noone did they, they just said why are you questioning me. If you check the entire forum you will see that Pmoney, Hessien and BBC have judged this movie as evil and wrong even though they have no experience with that. We were askign how you can make that call and why would you make that call.
Honestly I thought we had reached a conclusion when Pmoney stopped submitting and we finally reached an answer that we were all cool with, she chose not to see it or let her kids see it and explained why and we disagreed but were like cool, at leats now we understand.
As for us labeling them bigots, freaks and intolerant, go check Hessien's comments on how all gays should die and shouldn't be afforded the same proteections as everyone else, as guaranteed under the constitution. Not once did any of us say that all Christians should be killed or not protected and afforded the same rights as all others. This whole forum started with us trying to figure out what they were saying and trying to understand why they thought that way. Have they once tried to see things in our light or ask us why we think that way? No.
As for justification, sorry but b/c I say so isn't much of one especially when you enter onto a forum to discuss things. Its like playing basketball with a group of guys and when you lose you take your basketball home and don't let anyone else play.  So explain to me again how I'm intolerant if I'm asking them to explain what they mean and why I think that way and they just say that i'm wrong b/c I'm not christian.

[andwhat]

Blonde,
you gotta admit a singin pig would be pretty cool.

[vraiblonde]

you gotta admit a singin pig would be pretty cool.

Already got one - we call it Barbra Streisand.

[BigBrothaCon]

Andwhat,

How can I even take anything you say seriously when you attack Christians.  I have not said anything out of the way to you other than what the Word of God says.  If you are not a Christian then of course you are going to try your best to disprove the Bible and what it says.  I am sure the Devil knows the Bible very well too, but that has not stopped his deception and deceit.

You guys have yet to prove to me that God does not exist.  Many have tried and continue to fail.  So as far as Jimmy proving the Bible has fallicies or that the Catholic Church has any true biblical authority, I am yet to be convinced of that.  Catholics believe that they have to go through a priest to get forgiveness.  Show me in the Bible where it says that you have to do that.

You guys are hoping that we will accept your liberal views on Harry Potter and you want us to be tolerant of that, but when did you guys become tolerant of our views?  Andwhat, don't use scripture against me when it does not even apply to your life.  I am not judging anyone, only God can do that.

Matthew 13: 9-16, who hath ears to hear, let him hear. And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? He answered and said unto them, because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:  For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.

[Jimmyrich]

Blonde,

Once again, you are not understanding what I've said.  Harry Potter gay? What are you talking about?  I brought the gay thing up as an example of how people in this forum are using Christianity to defend calls to action against 'gays' and 'harry potter' as two examples.  No need to read more into that than there is.

John,

The comment about the Jesus Freaks was done only to point out that that is NOT what I have been doing here. It has been the Fundamentalists that have done the branding of things being wrong and evil.  We have merely defended those things. If you'll keep looking back, this post was started NOT because TT wouldn't take his kids to see the movie, it was started by Hessian who said that the movie was evil and dangerous. Then, TT came in and agreed and said that he wouldn't take his kids to it either. When asked to explain, "becuase I'm the Parent" and "because I'm a Christian" were the only responses. Why aren't they ENOUGH, you ask? Because that's not a "reason"; that's a cop out. If you have no sound backing for your arguement, and you're called out on it, you respond with a blanket statement that can't be challenged. It's a logical fallacy in debate.  "Well that's what I feel, so tough!"--those are the words of a defeated man.  And you ask how it harms me that TT doesn't see the movie? It doesn't.  But how does it harm her/hessian/bbc and those who oppose it? That's what we've been asking and we've basically been fed a stream of side-stepping and baseless answers, except by Hessian, who thankfully responds and affirms that he doesn't know what he's talking about.  
John, you too are missing the point. You're looking for Christianity-Bashing here and trying to find it whereever you can. But you, and Vrai, won't find it. What you WILL find are specific arguments directed at statements made by people on this thread and in this forum. Intolerant is not accepting of someone's beliefs. Saying Harry Potter is dangerous because it promotes witchcraft and devil-worship and then not giving examples OR basis for why that would even be dangerous if it WERE the case; THAT is intollerant.  Merely "calling" THOSE beliefs intollerant, is not.

[John]

Quote: from andwhat on 10:55 am on Nov. 27, 2001[br] To say its evil is fine as long as you say why you think that way and try and explain it....As for us labeling them bigots, freaks and intolerant, go check Hessien's comments on how all gays should die and shouldn't be afforded the same proteections as everyone else.

Just where in this thread does that come from? I haven't found it.

This is supposed to be a forum for "Reviews"! #Hmmmm...

You like something or you don't! Nothing more complex.

Politics is another forum.