Harry Potter...

[andwhat]

BBC, give up on the preaching already will you.  Simply say that you don't want to see the movie, you think its not in your interests to do so and stop trying to tell people that they are wrong for trying or wanting to see it. Here's a little hint, the bible wasn't written by god, the bible was written by man. God may have inspired the writers to write it down, but then once that happened it was changed. Its been changed over the eyars so many times that even religious leaders are unsure of exactly what its supposed to say. you say that you aren't judging chrsity but then you go and say things like ask God why he says this and you don't believe him. Seems to me like you're on another holier than thou kick.
Blondie, the hessien killing gays thing was on one of the political forums whihc he started, entitled "does anyone know the status of that ### bill up in annapolis?" He then went on to say that the worked with two lesbians and he wanted to kill them right then and there and bury them in the ground so thats where that one came from.
You know what, if you want to protest the movies go ahead and protest them, you can disagree all you want about the movies, but don't come onto a forum that is supposed to be about reviewing the movie if you are goign to make a morality call on something you haven't seen. If you think the movie is wrong say i think this movie si wrong b/c I saw it and blah blah blah blah blah.  Don't come on and say this movie is dangerous and evil and noone should ever see it and you're going to hell if you do.
As for heroin and murder, point taken, somethings you should probably not experience but at least you can justify why not. Hessien has never justified not reading the books or seeing the movie for himself and saying it si evil b/c.... He just said its evil and wrong and dangerous. Reading a book is not the same as killing someone, lets put it in some perspective here. You read a book, you like it, you don't, you buy into it, you don't its whatever. you kill someone, thats a bit different. so we should judge things before we know about them and we should do away with anythign that might be controversial, then we're right back to the nazi's burning books and schools outlawing the wizard of oz and shakespeare.
Finally, christy, thank you and great job. And I heard Martha Stewart was going to do a wreath out of different candybars that had been floating in toilets from all over the world in her next magazine. Did I mention that Martha stewart is the antichrist? Thats another forum though.

[Jimmyrich]

Vrai,

YES! I finally agree with you!  Let's make a law protecting any artform even if we find it repulsive!  And, yes, let's put an end to all the BullSh!t laws that regulate drugs in our society!  I'm finally agreeing with you!
Funny that you meant it sarcastically, but that's exactly along the lines of what I'm thinking.  I DO believe that a movie that someone finds morally reprehesible shouldn't be banned.  I believe that our pitiful "War on Drugs" isn't working and when you look at societies that are more open, their drug problems are FAR lower than ours.  Thanks for bringing those points up, by the way...
BBC, you cannot get mad at andwhat for quoting scripture to you. It's a book. It's not YOU'RE book and you are no more entitled to it or the 'secrets' it holds than anyone else. If you're gonna spout off some verse at the end of everyone of your posts then be prepared to have some of that thrown back at you. You obviously don't want to argue outside the confines of Biblical Text. SO be it. But be prepared for different interpretations to arise.
Christy, great points.  Don't let fundamentalists tell you how to be a Christian. As BBC says actually, this is between you and God, right?  So pick that snickers out of the toilet and snack away! Just make sure, it IS a snickers...cause this one time...well anyway....
Just saw andwhat's post and it pretty much summed up what I'm thinking. The labeling of this movie as "Dangerous" is what we are questioning; not the decision NOT to go see it.  I don't want to see Legally Blonde. I think it looks dumb and like something I won't enjoy. There. There's my reason. So that's fine if you dont' see the Harry Potter movies. I simply don't understand the religious justification for not seeing them though.  I mean, this literal interpretation of the BIble being used to suggest that God himself has decreed that this type of subject matter is an "abomination"?  Christ, the Bible USED to contain references to reincarnation until they were removed by the church due to pressure from Constantine. So, really, Man has CLEARLY shaped what IS and ISN'T in the Bible.  If you were to live your live TRULY WORD FOR WORD EVERY SINGLE WORD From the Bible that you read, you'd never be able to exist in society.  Therefore, see the movie or don't see the movie. But dont' claim that it's GOD who told you not to see it. Admit to making the decision for yourself.

[foxylady]

WOW!! You all have been having a busy day! #As for me, I was running around my house cleaning up all the EVIL stuff that my kids have collected over the years. #Anyone want to join me for a giant bon fire tonight to burn all the evil stuff? #Most of the books have to go. #Most of the toys have to go. #OH! #I forgot! Remember to bring your TV sets and stereos and computers as well. #All the Devils tools you know. #Maybe afterwards we can all go join Hessien and be "real christians."
#
Christly -- you'll have to scurry home and clean up all the kid stuff fast. #I know you don't want to be left out. #

The Harry Potter books have a deeper meaning than the "magical" surface of the story. #If you read any of the books you would realize that Harry is just a little boy who was orphaned at a young age and placed in the abusive home of his aunt and uncle. #It shows the courage and resilience that a young child needs to overcome great barriers in their life and succeed in this world against all odds. #Children have wonderful imaginations ... yes..... but they're not stupid. #They know that the magic in the books and the movie are just that ... imaginary. #Everyone needs something to cope with lifes great pitfalls at times. #

Some people turn to drugs or alcohol. #Some are abusive. #Can't we, as educated adults, see that these books are a wonderful escape for our children and quit trying to make everything into the struggle between good and evil?

Goodness is all around us every day if we take the time to look. #Evil is there if you look for it as well, but why make more than there already is?

Hessien - I agree with Jimmy, et al. #You need to grow up and get a life man!

(Edited by foxylady at 1:41 pm on Nov. 27, 2001)

[BigBrothaCon]

Foxy,

You said "Goodness is all around us every day if we take the time to look.  Evil is there if you look for it as well, but why make more than there already is? "

who is making more evil than there already is?  Evil is the same today as it was yesterday.  Some people just involve themselves in more types of evil.  God already made everything.  How can man make or find new evil?

[Jimmyrich]

True Good and Evil--even though I see them as abstract terms--let's say they DO exist already due to God.  Man can still "find" them where they are not. Man is flawed and, thus, is perfectly capable of misinterpreting something as Evil when, in fact, it is not. That's all I think Foxy was getting at.  "Making more evil" might as well be the case when you've got people running around touting this that and the otherthing as "EVIL EVIL EVIL" when, in truth, many don't even know what it is they are condemning. So God creating Good and Evil. That's fine.  But don't think for a minute that man cannot label whatever he wants "evil" or "good" as well.

[BigBrothaCon]

Oh and andwhat,

I don't want to see the movie because I don't want to subject myself to witchcraft by any means regardless if you or anyone else feels otherwise.  I have accepted your reasons for watching it, so accept mine for not watching it.

There are too many people getting offended by what the Bible says on here.  If you feel your point of view is not judged by what the Bible says, then why do jump at me for what it says?  If you don't feel bad about your actions then don't get mad at me for disagreeing with your point of view.  We can discuss things as adults without all the name calling and downgrades.  If I have said anything to downgrade anyone then I apologize for that, but if the Word of God that I believe in offends those who say they do not believe in the Word of God then maybe you really believe in the Word of God unless why be offended?

[BigBrothaCon]

Jimmy

You are putting God and man at the same level when you say ". So God creating Good and Evil. That's fine.  But don't think for a minute that man cannot label whatever he wants "evil" or "good" as well"

I don't place man at any level with God.  

[andwhat]

BBC, Jimmy wasn't trying to place man and God on the smae level. instead he was saying that while God may have created good and evil, man mislabels things good and evil and that is due to the fallibility of man. He's saying that with real evil in the world, i.e. the true evil as created by God if you like, then we can do without people like hessien running around like chicken little calling everything he doesn't like evil. I'm sure the Bible and God never intended to condemn Harry Potter or his movie, there are much bigger things to worry about in this world.
Now then, if you don't want to see the movie b/c it goes against what you believe in, thats fine, thats great you said it, you said why no problems what so ever. But don't tell use these forums as a chance to preach to others and condemn them as others have done and say that christianity is the onyl way for everyone, which I know you haven't done, but others have so this is to them.
The word of God is what you believe in, or at least your interpratation  of it as I'm sure that you won't claim that yours is the only wasy to interpret the bible though you believe it is the right way at least for you. But you also realize that it is not for everyone so you simply say its for me thats why I'm not seeing the movie. Our problem has always been with people like hessien who make moral judgements for all people and claim that he knows better than everyone else and we're all going to burn in hell. thats where the problem lies.

[John]

Andwhat,

I'm curious about one further thing you've posted...

Our problem has always been with people like hessien who make moral judgements for all people and claim that he knows better than everyone else and we're all going to burn in hell. thats where the problem lies.

Do you worry that Hessian is in charge and condemning you to hell?
If not...Then if he feels his way is right and all others wrong what are you worried over. It's only his opinion...Lighten up.

[vraiblonde]

That's just great!  First TT controls our mouse fingers, now Hessian gets to decide who goes to heaven! I had no idea I was in the company of such powerful people...