Harry Potter...

[AnonymousPenguin]

[Christy]

BBC, I don't see where the quotes you've posted on here out of the Bible are very relevent in demonizing Harry Potter.  There's a lot of scripture that discusses murder, lying, cheating, stealing, adultery etc.. yet I'm sure you've seen many movies with these acts in them.  Did G-d tell you not to go see these movies because of that content?  If not, "THEN MAYBE YOU NEED TO REEVALUATE YOUR POSITION AND ASK GOD WHY HE SAID IN HIS WORD THOSE THINGS".  

I believe what G-d meant in all of those quotes, is that when you believe in your soul Witchcraft and Sorcery is the answer and you follow that path to enlightenment, then you have turned your back to him and his truth.  To bury your head in the sand and be so fearful that even the slightest exposure to "evil" will turn your heart, you're not really solid in your faith.  

I have faith in my own beliefs and relationship with G-d that whatever evil myself or my children are exposed to we can ward it off.   I think going into a spiritual panic over Harry Potter trivializes and belittles the true power of G-d.  

[andwhat]

John, no I'm not worried that Hessien gets to decide who is and is not going to hell. If I do go to hell b/c Hessien says so then I'm sure I'll have a good time down there with people like Gandhi, John F. Kennedy, Ernest Hemingway and the like. I was using that quote as saying that the reason this whole strain of the forum started is b/c while we were simplye trying to judge the movie simply on whetehr it was a good movie or not, hessien busts out the whole you all are going to hell for watching the movie and anyoen who sees it is wrong and going to rot for eternity and blah blah blah. This whole strain has been about saying that one) you shouldn't come into a review forum to provide your moral judgemnent about all those people on the forum, especially if you don't really ahve knowledge about what the forum is like and two) don't preach to people when all they are trying to do is talk about a kids book and movie and tell others if they should see it or not.
As for lightening, we probably could all use some of that, but I think that if you're going to tell me too, then you should at least be fair and tell the one who started all of this by saying that all little kids are going to turn into satanist b/c they see this movie to lighten up. I'm just responding to him. So again, in my best little kid voice "he started it." I'm just trying to stand up for all the little kids out there and all of us big kids who want to see the movie and not being told we're going to be burned in hell for it. True it doesn't really matter what hessien says and no he doesn't get to decide who goes to hell and heaven (not that I would mind that much b/c if he does get to decide I'd rather go to hell b/c it seems like the people would be alot more fun), but he put his opinion out there, so I thought it only fair if i defend the rest of us who don't feel that way.
Christy, again great post.
Blonde, apparently TT andHessien can control such things. they must be withces and we should burn them b/c they must have seen the movie and have obviouslly now turned to satanism.

[daniel]

Wow, Christy, I couldn't agree with you more in your last few posts. Jimmy you and andwhat also have made some great points. and belive me if heaven is only for the true chrsitians like Hessian then it is clearly not for me and, andwhat i am looking forward to sitting and talking and playing with you in "hell", jimmy you will be there too i am sure, christy maybe you as well.

BBC you have been using the Word of God which you take directly from the bible. There are many many versions of Christianity that use the bible as thier word of God and they all have different interpretations. So BBC, why do you quote the Bible to condem harry potter and say it is not your words but the word of God. Maybe you should say, i don't want to see it because i believe that the word of God AS I INTERPRETE IT, tells me not to." because when you spout off these quotes you are giving us the word of god as written by man and interpreted by a man. Now you have been using direct quotes and take them literaly word for word, so i guess you are not interpreting. I would address that but the infamous letter to Dr. Laura takes care of that and has yet to be addressed.

[Hessian]

From now on, if someone would like to quote me, please take it right from my postings and quit coming up with distortions? Thanks, Hessian.

Now, with that said:
1) I am not reading the book or seeing the movie.
Why? Because they violate God's instructions to man (as cited accurately by BBC)
2) I don't want my child or my school kids to get caught up in the fad.
Why? Because of reasons I have previously stated that 3 posters apparently ignored.
3) I wouldn't mind discussing the issue from a biblical stand point but I think I'd be wasting my time.
Why? Because several posters believe the Bible as distorted and mistranslated etc. They despise churches for any number of reasons so even citing chapter and verse to them has no affect at all (BBC has tried that several times and been dismissed immediately). Their hostility is thinly veiled.

I read last night (because of an assignment I was given)of two prominent cases where the ACLU successfully intimidated school districts into allowing pentagrams, pagan symbols etc to be exempt from dress code violations at school. The bitter hissing and seething by the wicca fans was very revealing. So with HP becoming the "Star Wars" of this generation, #we can expect a whole lot of images, spells, curses, conjuring etc because its...."fun."
And by the way...I never said it sends you to Hell. That was determined the first day you sinned (For the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is Eternal life) oops, sorry-I forgot-Scripture is distorted and irrelevant right?

Vrai...regarding that post I have been cited about many times: I opened pandora's box (pardon the pun) when I opened the question on the Gay bill months ago. I was disgusted by behavior at a field school and flippantly said I wouldn't mind burying them for future archaeologists to ponder.
Now: How many of you have scream profanities at the slow driver that doesn't use his blinker? "G-d %&#@ you!"...guess what: you just urged something even more violent! So, get off your PC horse and move on. Just like you didn't act on that slow driver...neither did I.
Back to the "Fun" movie:
If you want, I'll post a few sites that have some very direct things to say about HP and I'll avoid those that are frantic and shrill Ok? (I've seen a mix of both)

Oh, by the way, I didn't mean to fire-up Christy like #that.
but my illustration still stands: Try avoiding making a joke about it and prove me wrong:

You don't want you kids experimenting with Drugs: Why?
Because it could lead to addictions and other serious problems right? Or is a little bit of drugs OK?
Is a little bit of Harry Potter OK? hmmmmm.
Veritas.


(Edited by Hessian at 8:05 pm on Nov. 27, 2001)

[Jimmyrich]

I'm actually looking forward to these websites. Maybe they can offer a more sound and supported argument for this viewpiont then we've gotten here thus far....And Hessain? Don't try and back down from your hate-filled statement now that everyone has called you on it.  You were advocating hatred and violence on two people who had done nothing PERSONALLY do you. You were merely offended by their implied actions.  And yelling f*ck You! to someone who's cutting you off(I dont' think G*d Damn you is all that potent) is in the same league. For one, their actions have DIRECTLY affected you specifically and you are in the heat of emotion at the time you say it. This bury in the ground and leave for archaeologist to dig up was said well AFTER the fact.  So don't try and pawn it off as something anyone would say. You were hateful when you said it, you are hateful now, and the fact that someone that would flippantly spout off something like that is teaching children makes me, frankly, sick.  And you think a GAY teacher is a danger to a classroom....

[andwhat]

Hessien, I feel that I can personally spoeak for myself, Daniel and jimmy in saying that the three of us do not hate churches. In fatc none of us hate religion or those that personally believe in a religion different from our own. what we do hate, and yes I will use this word even if it is a sin, is people like you that try and arbitrarily decide what is evil and wrong with a book or movie without haveing experience with it and condemn those that fell differently than you.
Citing chapter and verse is not going to persuade any of us to come over to your "dark side" (since you used it to describe us , I felt it only fair to use it to describe you) especially since the very bible which you are using has been interpreted countless different ways and  there are multiple versions out there which each say different things and the very authority for interpreting the bible (namely the Pope) has said that the bible is up to individual interpretation. Do not do a disservice to the name of the bible by trying to use it so justify your hate filled attitudes towards childrens literature and homosexuals. You soil the very thing which you claim to hold sacred.

[daniel]

Thank you andwhat, you pretty much covered the bible issue for me. I think it was written by man, has been translated by man numerous times into different versions and is now interpreted differently by protestants, catholics, baptists etc etc. I personnaly do not hate any of these churches or interpretations of the bible, I may disagree with them but i do not think they are wrong just different. Then of course you have those that take everything in the bible literally and i disagree with them as well. and if i were say.........in a forum or discussion of some kind, where i was debating certain verses of the bible that can be viewed as condeming people when taken literally, i would aks thema  few questions. some of the things i would ask would be an answer to teh letter to dr. laura, or if teh bible is to be taken literally how do you belive in two completely different creation stories? or is how do you explain the difference in how long the bible says humans have been around and scientific prooven FACT that shows we have been around much longer?  so thanks hessian for once again that assessment of myself, jimmy and andwhat (i assume you were referring to us as the church haters). I question your interpretations of the bible when you even interpret our posts incorrectly.

Jimmy thanks to you as well for covering the gay bashing vs yelling at a driver issue. i am sure Hessian will come back and say that you said "all bad drivers are bad and deserve to be yelled at so its ok" whenin fact you didn't say that. BBC is also great at that. I have never seen so many quotes taken out of text and twisted to mean something terribly different from what they really meant. BBC you should be a reporter, the media is loves doing that, you would fit right in.

[Christy]

Daniel, all bad drivers do deserve to be yelled at! :)

[valentino]

As much as I hate to keep getting into these conversations, I must say one quick thing.  Hessian, we are all sinners if we believe that something we do is actually called a sin.  You are sinner because you judge people too much, I am sinner because I do the same, you are a sinner because you wished, or at least thought about bringing death to someone, I am sinner because I have done the same.  Maybe you and I just need to step back and look at the things we are doing to combat what we think is wrong.  It is very hard, but I am trying.  What do two sins make? Certainly not a saint.