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| This is why we lost the war in Vietnam, and why we're going to lose the war on terror. I thought everybody learned the vital lesson from Desert Storm that military actions are won by letting the soldiers do their job, and keeping the politicians out of the day-to-day fighting. Now we're back to Washington approving targets, busting soldiers for doing their duty, and trying to once again win a war by trying to win hearts and minds that can't be won. |
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| Registered User Member Since: Nov 2002 Location: New York, NY
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| I didn't particularly understand why you threw in that line near the end about how Jessica Lynch's situation should spur consideration of the discontinuation of placing women in combat, especially as there wasn't one word in the rest of the essay that even tried to support that contention. Besides, should women's role in combat be reconsidered because of one female POW, then there's much reconsideration to be done with regards to the role of men in combat. |
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| Dancing Up A Storm Member Since: Aug 2002 Location: Great Mills
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| Re: Jessica Lynch, Col. West, and Common Sense Quote:
I agree with much of your commentary, but cannot go along with discriminating against women who choose roles in the military, that may or may not include combat engagement. That is their choice to make. If the media accounts were at all truthful, then she did her best to defend herself and her fellow soldiers. She did get shot up and captured, goofy stuff like, ie., making wrong turns - happens in a time of war. However, she then also got rescued, like any other soldier would hope to be, if the opportunity arose. No, she's not necessarily a hero, but I think she did ok. JMHO | |
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| Member Member Since: Jan 2002 Location: Under the bridge
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| Dum Blonde, I mentioned that the Jessica Lynch situation should spur reconsideration of women in combat roles because its glorification is the very reason feminists and liberals are right now championing her. If you remember, many writers were perversely "thrilled" after her rescue that a women would have a chance to be captured and raped during war...ridiculous. And...many women can't even heave a grenade outside its blast radius. There are plenty of military jobs women can, and do, perform. Fighting a man's war for the sake of political correctness is dangerous. But it's sadly merely one of the flaws in the way we currently conduct military affairs. Furthermore, if you hear a burglar break into your basement, who are you going to send downstairs with the shotgun? Your husband, or your daughter? Trevor |
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| Member Member Since: Jan 2002 Location: Under the bridge
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| penncam, Similar to my previous response, I am not berating Jessica Lynch, which I believe I clearly communicated in the article. I do not, however, agree that women have a right to necessarily choose to fight in combat situations. This was a "right" that was afforded by a liberal president who was determined to keep feminists happy. His reward was getting NO flak during the Monica Lewinski ordeal. Generals and civilians in top military positions have the "choice" of wheter to send females into battle. Thankfully, the Marines successfully rebuked Clinton's efforts during the 90s, citing many reasons that women, save for the extremely few who qualify w/r/t the same standards as men, do not belong on the front lines. I would have to agree with your rationale if in fact all branches required women to meet the same standards as men during training, which they do not. Trevor |
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| Dancing Up A Storm Member Since: Aug 2002 Location: Great Mills
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However; #1: I cannot believe the Armed Services, where women can serve in a combat environment, would allow a woman into that same arena physically unable to "heave a grenade outside of it's blast radius". Gosh Sir, that is basic safety! If she's unable - through strength conditioning/training to accomplish the feat, then in fact, the trainee does not belong in that type of outfit. #2: However if throughout training, the woman can learn and exhibit skills/ability that are required in the combat arena, then why not let her progress? Is she any less qualified mentally or emotionally than a man? As I write this response, I note you have just replied to my initial reply to your post; you say that the Armed Forces do not require women to meet the same basic standards as the men do; well all I can say is these same branches of service are undercutting themselves, and endangering other troops which would presumably serve alongside that individual. If they are not going to enforce the same requirements for each sex, then they might as well scrap the program. | |
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| I think the whole discussion of women in combat is pointless when a case is made based on the actions/inactions of a small group of American women. I would refer those of you who are against women going into combat to look at the success of the Israeli Army over the past decades. Can some women not toss a hand grenade out of its blast radius? Dr. Ruth Westheimer, the short, squat, and ever annoying sex therapist who looks like an escapee from Munchkinland was a very successful sniper in the Israeli Army. Did it matter how far she could lug a grenade? I'm all for allowing women into combat roles, as long as we don't have to hear all the whining and nashing of teeth when they get killed or wounded from the media. If they "pays their money and takes their chances" with the guys, good on them. |
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| Have you forgotten? Member Since: Mar 2001 Location: Off the grid
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I think women are more than capable of handling a combat situation. Some women, anyway. As far as rape goes, men get raped by their captors too so . But the women should be able to physically hold their own, the same as men have to. I don't want some little Soccer Mommy in there - I want a mean b*tch who'll have no mercy. In that same vein, I don't want some touchy feely girly man in there, either.I read Trevor's column as a call to recognize the real heroes, not the media creations. And with that, I wholeheartedly agree.
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| Oldtimer Member Since: Feb 2001 Location: On the road again
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| No courts martial for Lt. Col. West, his pension is secure, the most he will get is NJP. Seems the investigating officer placed a lot of weight on uncovering an ambush. ![]()
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