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| Elephant gun Member Since: May 2004
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| Re: Bush could never lie as well as Democrats [quote]Originally posted by Admin Contrary to the rhetoric of many of the president’s critics -- which has reached outlandish proportions -- not only is it absurd to believe President Bush would sacrifice American lives for selfish political gain, but you’d have to be a nitwit to think a president could sail to reelection more easily in a time of war than one of peace. *cough*Lincoln*cough* For starters, that Ted Kennedy actually has the nerve to show his face in public -- *snip* Do the words “Mary Jo Kopechne” mean anything? When is the GOP going to quit humping Chappaquiddick as a reason to hate T.K. and just start hating him because he's a fat, obnoxious drunk? Even Minority Whip Steny Hoyer, who has acquired a reputation over the years for supporting the military, seems to have become addicted to the art of abandoning principle if it means gaining approval from the nation’s top liberal Democrats. That's cuz he got whipped. It practically defies common sense to have to continually refute fabrications by Democrats, as they seemingly insist upon closing their eyes and covering their ears to avoid acknowledging the facts before them. ....Huh? Oh, I was waiting for the list of facts. Either Democrats are not intelligent enough to consult the White House website for presidential transcripts or State Department records documenting Saddam’s weapons programs Why bother, if they were proven wrong before the war? As a nation mourns the passing of arguably the greatest president of the 20th century I got over Roosevelt a long time ago, thanks. Today we face a different, more dangerous threat. Than nuclear annihilation? Do tell! Today we again require leaders who will rise to the task of defending our nation and, like President Reagan, reject the conventional wisdom of placing political pragmatism above American idealism. Two words: Iran-Contra. Hey!, you brought up the old crap first! ![]()
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| Boring by Design Member Since: Mar 2001 Location: "Cynical" is my middle name
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| Sorry about that chief. Member Since: Jan 2002 Location: In a pineapple under the sea
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| Registered User Member Since: Feb 2004 Location: Leonardtown, MD
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| Oh man, there is alot to refute here. First of all, I supported the War in Iraq - I saw it as one that all liberals should jump on board (it was very consistent with our ideology of helping to protect oppressed peoples around the world; isolationist tendencies have been historically displayed by the Republican Party). President Clinton, one of my favorite political leaders (insert your negative, Clinton-hate line here), saw Iraq as a serious threat and maintained that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. I agree that Hussein should have been removed from power (especially with recent revelations from the Russian government that Hussein was planning terrorist actions on American soil) and I am glad everyday that he is no longer in power in one of the most unstable regions of the world. Just as President Bush stated, "good riddance." Much of the anti-war rhetoric coming from prominent Democrats is over the top, but alot of the rhetoric coming from Tom DeLay, etc. during the Bosnian War was the same and rhetoric from partisan Republicans is over the top often as well (e.g. Secretary of Education Rod Paige calling teachers' unions "terrorist organizations"). Now, while I agree with the objectives of President Bush's Iraq War, I fully disagree with his way of executing the war and the way that he made his case for war. I do not disagree with Bush's methods just because I am a Democrat; I disagree with them because I see them as ineffective and detrimental to our mission in Iraq. A thousand coalition soldiers have been killed in Iraq and thousands more have been wounded. Some estimates show that over ten thousand Iraqis have been killed since the war started. Attacks are over thirty a day; this after Hussein was captured and the war declared over. The murder rate in Baghdad is 600 a month. Unemployment is 23%. Prisoner abuse in Abu Grahib. President Bush's methods have produced these statistics - hardly glowing examples of efficiency in the war's and the reconstruction's execution. There needs to be a redefinition of our policies in Iraq, but we must maintain the course towards stability and security in the nation. I will not say that this whole Iraq thing was cooked up in Texas as Senator Kennedy; that was false and over the top. I will not say that this war was built on lies and deception as Senator Byrd has stated. I will say that President Bush exaggerated and stretched in order to attract support for this war. Not only did he claim that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, but that they could be mobilized in under forty-five minutes to attack the United States (that was an unverified claim, but it was still in his talking points on the war). He stated that Iraq wanted Nigerian uranium for nuclear weapons when the CIA had completely backed down from that intelligence months before the State of the Union Address. And Vice President Dick Cheney said that Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda were closer than anyone could imagine. That claim was immediately questionable prior to the war and the 9/11 commission, composed of five Democrats and five Republicans, just released its findings saying that there was "no credible evidence" of such a link. President Bush's response to this bipartisan committee, "no, there was." There was some stretching and why should Democrats not mention that? And about the flip-flopping: it is a weak argument and only has traction with the base of committed Republicans. I listened to President Bush's speech in Reno from yesterday and some of his cited flip-flops are just wrong (like saying that Kerry opposes the Iraq War now; that is absolute bull hockey).
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