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| Chum Bucket Tech Member Since: Oct 2004 Location: Land of the Lusbians
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I went to a few summer camps that the Sabres had when I was a kid. I learned alot and they usually had them up in Wheatfield (Niagara County) which was a haul from Lancaster. The the guys teaching in those days (the players weren't always there, but maybe once in a while, which was still cool!) were the real pros the likes of Rene Robert, Rick Martin and Don Luce. That experience really made a fan for life. Until now. I wish players now had the spirit of the older guys like Gordy Howe, Bobby Orr, The Espisito Brothers just to name a few. The players now wouldn't last 10 minutes with some of the old guys if they were playing then. I am tired of having to shell out mega-$$$ to go a game. What is going to happen to the people that have season tickets? Are they getting a refund? Or will the owners pretty much say too bad and run?
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| You seem to be basing your claim that salary caps have a less-than-major impact on the performance of teams based on their performance in the playoffs, and that's not a valid metric. The playoffs pit one very successful team against another equally, or near equally, successful team. Compare that to the season as a whole, when teams with a disproportinately high number of proven performers and a high payroll, play teams with low payrolls and a low number of proven performers, and the disparity becomes more blatant. Lately, almost every time a Grade A player becomes a free market player, you're going to be hearing that he's signed with the Yankees if the Yankees want him. And while the Yankees might blow it from time to time during the playoffs, the fact that they are in the playoffs year after year is more indicitive of the effectiveness of unlimited payrolls than their performance in the playoffs. The basic rule of sports, and most business, is that talent follows the money. If one team has limited resources while another has unlimited resources, talent will sign with the later. This may be the way of free enterprise, but eventually people get tired of the same teams always winning and losing, and lose interest. Football was going the same way until salary caps made the games more interesting. As for hockey, studies have shown that the team owners' claims that they are running out of money are true. This has been due to a steadily declining interest in the sport. The last real burst of energy that the NHL has had was when Mario Lemieux strapped the skates back on, but even that faded away. If hockey wants to get the fans back, they need to impose salary caps to make all of the teams more competitive, and lower the ticket prices as you said. I would prefer that the NHL owners fire every player and start from scratch. Bring players up, pay them a good salary but not one that'll break the bank, and lower the ticker prices to $10-$15 a game. There will be lots of screaming about second-rate play, but after a season or so the fans will be back and the new players will be up to form. One need only look at the empty outfield seats at MLB games to know that fans take a long time to forgive when the players get greedy. |
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| Strung Out Member Since: Feb 2001
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| It'll be interesting to see... ...at what point the players realize most of the U$ does not miss them. The owners need to abandon dealing with the players at all. Make up a salary cap everyone can afford, hire minor leaguers, today, and make tickets cheap enough that people will bring the family. While you're at it, eliminate fighting, get rid of the thuggery and open the game up by making the rink Olympic size. The league needs exit plans for the teams that simply shouldn't exist. Get back on cable TV. Get back in business. Hockey is not major league and the players need to accept that. The big TV dollars are not and never will be there. The owners made a mistake expanding and paying you guys so much. END OF STORY Or keep doing what you're doing. I guess.
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I can also remember the days when hardly anybody I knew watched football, and hardly anybody in Pittsburgh ever watched basketball (Pittsburghers disliked b-ball so much that when they needed people for crowd shots for the movie "The Fish That Saved Pittsburgh" they had to film the shots in Cinncinati because only a couple of people showed up at the Civic Arena for the movie game.) This was back in the 70s and early 80s when there was serious consideration to dropping Monday Night Football due to low ratings. I used to watch the Pirates games religiously, as did most everybody I knew. Now jump to the current day. Who are the biggest draws on TV? Football and basketball. Who are the lowest? Baseball and hockey. Is it coincidence that the NFL's fortunes have greatly improved since 1987, when the salary cap was implemented, when before 1987 there was nothing but decline? How about basketball's fortunes since 1985 as compared to before? Basketball and football were just about where the NHL and MLB (the leagues without salary caps) are today. The same teams are always in the playoffs, there's no excitement anymore, and people are having to pay too much to go see their team lose. Implementing a salary cap would force players to move between teams more frequently, which will change team dynamics and allow different teams to take the lead. I think the ambassador for salary caps would be Shaquille O'Neal. That guy changes teams so often that you either cheer for him because he's now on your team, or against him because he left your team, but in either case he generates interest. | |
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| Right Where I Belong Member Since: Sep 2004
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| The DH and I are really big hockey fans. But over the last year or so the prices of tickets are outragous. We stick to the minor hockey leagues and try to go to those games when we can. ![]()
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| Strung Out Member Since: Feb 2001
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Everybody and everyone grew up...except hockey. Everyone from Miami to Minnesota likes baseball and football and basketball, at least in enough numbers to justify the titanic numbers that come from TV. That's simply not the case with hockey. Everyone 'get's' slam dunk. Everyone 'get's' home run. Everyone 'get's' touchdown pass. Hockey is to the casual fan, the fan$ that made the other leagues major...what? Soccer with skates. We don't like soccer either.
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| Strung Out Member Since: Feb 2001
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| And in todays papers... ...we find some of the news, the details and the guesses about the future. The only thing that matters: The owners are doing better financially by NOT playing. No fan revenue. No TV revenue. And they still are better off because...no player salaries to pay. I wonder if the players get it yet?
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