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| Talk Show Host Member Since: Aug 2002 Location: leonardtown
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| I am going to say right now that the University of Michigan's system of admitting students is incredibly fair to all races. I cannot see how the system can be construed as a quota system. Where are the dictates of a percentage or number of blacks, or Native Americans, or Hispanics? No, the system is consistent with Bakke in that race is used as one factor of many in order to achieve diversity. I can vouch that the only way that we learn is through the presentation of dissenting ideas or ones that come from a different background. There are other universities that take into effect one's socio-economic background in order to determine which applicants to accept. The allusion to the SAT score is misleading in that the standarized test has recently fallen out of favor with many within in college campuses. California higher education schools do not even accept SAT scores anymore because they are not seen as a bellweather of a student's academic ability. Instead, more and more schools are more focused on secondary school records, just as the University of Michigan is. Under their system, a 4.0 GPA receives 80 points. This is four times more valuable than being a minority. Doesn't that sound fair? Athletes that receive a scholarship also receive 20 points. Doesn't that discriminate against non-athletes? It certainly does under the conservatives' logic. Those who have a parent alumnus also receive points. Doesn't that discriminate against those whose parents did not attend college? It certainly does under the conservatives' logic. Those who brought this lawsuit before the court are merely bitter that their package was not as outstanding as they felt that it was. When a white person's record is even with a minority, the minority should receive admission because diversity must be achieved. Those who apply to college have it together, they are inherently outstanding. It becomes hard to judge the applicants because often they are all equally valuable. Minority status offers more to the educational experience of whites and thus it makes minority applicants stand out from their white counterparts that have just the same record. |
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| Registered User Member Since: Jan 2003 Location: Hollywood
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| Bravo, Rick! Can't agree with you more. You know, the Republican administration is currently referring to President Bush's "Affirmative Action" programs in Texas that guaranteed every student in the top 10% of their class a place in UT schools. So, in order to help foster equality, we should rely on segregated schools that are the result of segregated neighboorhoods? Doesn't sound like equal opportunity to me. |
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| Oldtimer Member Since: Feb 2001 Location: On the road again
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| The system at Michigan is flawed because of preference given as to race or ethnicity. Affirmative action is leveling the field, not tilting it to one side or the other. If all factors are equal and the candidates are otherwise eligible I would see no problem with them working for a diverse mix by selecting a minority. To give “bonus” points to the three categories mentioned is biased and will be found to violate the civil rights of the students that filed suit.
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| Have you forgotten? Member Since: Mar 2001 Location: Off the grid
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| Ken, that's basically what Colin Powell and Condi Rice said about it. And since Rice is one of the smartest people I've ever heard of, I'll take her word for it.
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| Talk Show Host Member Since: Aug 2002 Location: leonardtown
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| Since when does athletic achievement have anything to do with the classroom? This is Affirmative Action at work...It works in the constraint the Bakke case established that race can be one factor of many when decided who to accept in the admissions procedure. |
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| Talk Show Host Member Since: Aug 2002 Location: leonardtown
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| Colin Powell is in "respectful" disagreement with the President on the system. He agrees with the belief that the University of Michigan is correctly using race in its system. I just saw a clip on CNN about it from an interview that he had yesterday. |
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| Oldtimer Member Since: Feb 2001 Location: On the road again
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| From CNN.com - "Powell said he had talked with the president on many occasions about affirmative action and believes him to be "committed to diversity in education," but that Bush felt Michigan's policy went too far. "It's just that he found that the University of Michigan case did not meet what he believed was a constitutional test," Powell said. In the past, Powell had said he believed the university had a strong case, but he and Rice deferred Sunday to the court for the final decision. "
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