Is The Surge Working?

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

I report, you decide.

Maybe forestool can help me out here.

Iraq gains tested as troops leave - Conflict in Iraq - MSNBC.com

That's right folks, troops are pulling out of the Diyala province.

U.S.: Iraq insurgent firepower declines - World news - MSNBC.com

Sounds like good news to me.

The Associated Press: McCain Praised at Veterans Day Ceremony

Now, John McCain's been very critical of how this wars going since 2004. If a seasoned veteran like him says we're winning the war, I'll take his word.

The Associated Press: ANALYSIS: Violence Down in Baghdad

Yep, there is it. Violence is down.

Now, are the Democrats gonna shut their pieholes and admit the Surge is working? Furthermore, will they admit it was Bush's idea and Bush's idea worked? Or are they gonna continue to declare that "the war is lost."

[JPC sr]

Originally Posted by AndyMarquisLIVE

I report, you decide.

Maybe forestool can help me out here.

Iraq gains tested as troops leave - Conflict in Iraq - MSNBC.com

That's right folks, troops are pulling out of the Diyala province.

U.S.: Iraq insurgent firepower declines - World news - MSNBC.com

Sounds like good news to me.

The Associated Press: McCain Praised at Veterans Day Ceremony

Now, John McCain's been very critical of how this wars going since 2004. If a seasoned veteran like him says we're winning the war, I'll take his word.

The Associated Press: ANALYSIS: Violence Down in Baghdad

Yep, there is it. Violence is down.

Now, are the Democrats gonna shut their pieholes and admit the Surge is working? Furthermore, will they admit it was Bush's idea and Bush's idea worked? Or are they gonna continue to declare that "the war is lost."

Wake up.

The surge is not working.

It is the troop withdrawal that is working.

The attacks and violence is going down because the American troops are pulling back.

[Go G-Men]

Originally Posted by JPC sr

Wake up.

The surge is not working.

It is the troop withdrawal that is working.

The attacks and violence is going down because the American troops are pulling back.

Well based on "your" poll most people think it is working....

Maybe you ought to vote 10 times to even it out??? Might help. Who knows...

We all know the answer you were hoping for... "Hell no it is not working" and you should all vote for me!!!

[JPC sr]

Originally Posted by Go G-Men

Well based on "your" poll most people think it is working....

Maybe you ought to vote 10 times to even it out??? Might help. Who knows...

We all know the answer you were hoping for... "Hell no it is not working" and you should all vote for me!!!

The "surge" is long over.

All that is "working" now is the present troop draw down.

Vote all you want but there is the reality. The "surge" was over a long time ago.

[Go G-Men]

Originally Posted by JPC sr

The "surge" is long over.

All that is "working" now is the present troop draw down.

Vote all you want but there is the reality. The "surge" was over a long time ago.

No that is not necessary "the reality" but it truly is "your reality" and based on most of your posting it is not based too much on "reality".

[JPC sr]

Originally Posted by Go G-Men

No that is not necessary "the reality" but it truly is "your reality" and based on most of your posting it is not based too much on "reality".

I admit my point was not quite accurate as the surge is declining but not technically over link HERE.

What I got mixed up is that the US has withdrawn the troops from the "surge" offencives, but the number of troops still there is still high.

The point is that if the American troops increase its offencive opperations again then the violence will increase again and the farther the US troops withdraw then the less conflicts there will be.

So as long as the USA keeps withdrawing troops then the situation will improve accordingly.

[forestal]

Oh, I'm sorry, did I miss something?

When did the Iraqis come together, forget their differences, and form a functioning government that represents all the people?

That was the real purpose of the surge, was it not? Care to explain how it's working again?

Well, we don't have the troop strength to keep this up, so we'll be pulling them out again in the Spring. Too bad the Iraqis weren't able to take advantage of the situation when they could have.

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

...it's working and everyone knows it.

Bad guys have been getting killed in droves, the government has been given some time and opportunity to talk, make deals, find some sort of consensus.

The only question is have enough bad guys been killed to convince everyone else that getting along is a better idea? That's how war works.

This war, however poorly managed, has been catastrophic for Al queda. Perhaps it has been cathartic for Sunni's and Shia's and, perhaps, Iran and Saudi and Syria are finding reasons to chil out and seek peace and order.

[forestal]

Heh, only in Bushworld is something like this called a success.

Baghdad:
#1: Unknown gunmen opened fire on a car in Haifa Street, in central Baghdad, killing two civilians and injuring another, the source told Xinhua on condition of anonymity. One of the victims was Musa Jaafar, top geology surveyor working for the government, the source said.

#2: gunmen opened fire on civilians in Baghdad's western neighborhood of Hay Dragh, leaving two civilians dead, he added.

#3: About 15 minutes earlier, a parked car bomb also exploded on a main road in southwest Baghdad's Baiyaa neighborhood, killing one civilian and wounding six, police said. Most of the wounded were young boys on their way to school, police said.

A car bomb killed one person and wounded six in the Bayaa district of southwestern Baghdad, police said. Another police source said two people had been killed.

#4: Two men were shot and wounded by a 15 year-old boy in Mansour district in western Baghdad, an official at Yarmouk hospital said.

#5: Iraqi army soldiers killed two suspected insurgents and arrested 154 in different areas of Iraq during the past 24 hours, the Defence Ministry said.

#7: A roadside bomb targeting a U.S. military convoy wounded three civilians in Baladiyat district of eastern Baghdad, police said.

#8: U.S. forces killed 12 suspected insurgents, detained five others and found two shackled bodies in a makeshift detention facility during operations against al Qaeda along the Tigris River valley on Sunday and Monday, the U.S. military said.

#9: A roadside bomb wounded three people in the Baladiyat district of eastern Baghdad, police said.

#10: The fortified Green Zone in central Baghdad came under mortar shells attack on Tuesday afternoon, an interior ministry's source said. "Two mortar rounds fell into the Green Zone on Tuesday afternoon, leaving no human or material losses" the source told the independent news agency Voices of Iraq

#11: Police found ( 6 ) unidentified bodies in the following neighborhood in Baghdad : ( 3 ) were found in west Baghdad ( Karkh bank ) ; 2 in Amil and 1 in Mansour . While ( 3 ) were found in east Baghdad ( Risafa bank ) ; 2 in Sadr city and 1 in Uttafiyah.


Suwayra:
#1: Police found the bodies of four men in the Tigris river near the town of Suwayra, 60 km (40 miles) south of Baghdad, on Monday, police said. All four had been tortured and shot.


Salman Pak:
#1: A coalition forces helicopter crashed in Iraq on Tuesday, killing two soldiers and injuring 12, the U.S. military said. Major Brad Leighton, a U.S. military spokesman, said initial reports indicated the crash near the town of Salman Pak, 45 km (28 miles) southeast of Baghdad, was not the result of enemy fire.


Basra:
#1: The Basra forensic medicine department received four bodies found in two separate places, west of Basra," the source, who asked to not be identified, told the independent news agency Voices of Iraq

Samarra:
#1: The body of police major Saad Jumaa was found near Samarra after he was kidnapped on Monday, the Joint Iraqi-U.S. Coordination Centre said.


Dhuluiya:
#1: Police found the bodies of three men shot and bound in the town of Dhuluiya, 70 km (45 miles) north of Baghdad, the Joint Iraqi-U.S. Coordination Centre said.


Kirkuk:
#1: Monday night, a roadside bomb targeted an Iraqi army patrol at Sifra village on the Kirkuk – Biji route ( west Kirkuk ) killing one soldier and injuring three others.

#2: Around 7.30 p.m. of Monday evening , gunmen opened fire on an Iraqi army patrol at Hussainiyah village on Kirkuk – Biji ( west Kirkuk) which made the Iraqi patrol raided the village they came from arresting four suspected people having 3 machine guns ( AK4 ) taking them to their headquarter to investigate them.

#3: An improvised explosive device (IED) went off on Tuesday targeting an Iraqi army vehicle patrol southwest of Kirkuk, killing an Iraqi soldier and wounding five others, a police source said.


Mosul:
#1: A car bomb blew up on Tuesday afternoon in a Mosul village, but no casualties were reported, the police chief of al-Qayara district said


Al Anbar Prv:
Haditha:
#1: Three al Qaeda fighters and one policeman were killed in gunbattles in the town of Haditha, 250 km (155 miles) northwest of Baghdad, police said. Five militants were detained in the clashes.

Fallujah:
#1: One civilian was killed and five others, including two policemen, wounded when a car bomb ripped through an outdoor souk (market) in the area of Amiriyat al-Falluja, an official police source said on Tuesday.

#2: Around 4.30 p.m. of Monday afternoon, a planted bomb inside an officer’s car of the Ameriat Al-Falluja FBS exploded killing the officer ( Jamal Falij) and injuring two policemen near a police check point inside the residential complex in the area. Abu Risha guys had an instant movement and arrested 2 suspected who were not from the complex and found near the scene.

[forestal]

More Surge Success Stories..

aghdad:
#1: One person was killed and seven were wounded when a roadside bomb exploded near a small bus in Baladiyat district in eastern Baghdad, police said.

#2: The Iraqi army killed six suspected militants and detained 69 others in different parts of Iraq, the Defence Ministry said.

#3: A roadside bomb wounded two people on Palestine Street in northeastern Baghdad, police said.

#4: An Iraqi TV journalist who was kidnapped last week in a busy Baghdad neighbourhood said he was released unharmed before dawn on Monday. Muntazer al-Zaidi, a correspondent for the independent al- Baghdadiya television station, said he spent more than two days blindfolded, barely eating and drinking, after armed men forced him into a car as he walked to work on Friday morning in the bustling Bab al-Sharji area of central Baghdad.

#5: Iraqi soldiers on Monday detained a group of Italian private security guards after they opened random fire in central Baghdad wounding a woman, a senior Iraqi army officer told AFP.

#6: Around 3.15 p.m., a roadside bomb exploded at Al-Sakhra ( the rock) intersection injuring two people.

#7: Around 8 p.m., a car bomb exploded at Shuhada Al-Bayaa neighborhood ( south west Baghdad ) injuring 5 people.

#8: Police found 3 unidentified dead bodies in the following neighborhoods in Baghdad : ( 2 ) were found ; ( 1 ) in I’laam and ( 1 ) in Ghazaliyah . While ( 1 ) was found in New Baghdad in Risafa Bank in east Baghdad.


Diyala Prv:
Baquba:
#1: Iraqi police said three officers were killed Monday in an ambush on their checkpoint northeast of Baghdad. Monday's attack on the police checkpoint wounded another officer and two civilians nearby, police said. The ambush took place at dawn in the Zaghinya area near Baqouba, the troubled capital of Diyala province. Baqouba lies 35 miles northeast of Baghdad.

#2: Three children were killed and four wounded when a bomb went off at a football pitch in the Iraqi city of Baquba, local authorities told Deutsche Presse-Agentur dpa on Monday. The children were killed when a bomb went off on Sunday evening near a public playground in the industrial complex district in Baquba during a football game by the local children.


Samawah:
#1: Two Iraqis were killed and four wounded in an incident involving a U.S. military convoy in a southern province, American officials said. Local officials said the soldiers had opened fire randomly. A spokesman for the Muthanna provincial council said that U.S. soldiers in a convoy opened fire Sunday on a group of cars on the highway between the cities of Samawah, about 230 miles southeast of Baghdad, and Rumaitha to the north.

#2: Police retrieved the bodies of two men bearing signs of torture from the Tigris River on Sunday in the town of Suwayra, south of Baghdad, police said.


Diwaniya:
#1: Dozens of militants loyal to radical Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr were arrested in an massive assault by US and Iraqi troops in the central city of Diwaniyah, officials said Monday. Iraqi security officials said that 3,000 Iraqi soldiers, policemen supported by military tanks and hundreds of US and Polish troops launched the assault on Saturday to flush out Shiite militants from the city. Hussain al-Buderi, a member of the Qadisiyah provincial council, said that 49 militants, including four leaders, from the Sadr group were arrested since Saturday when Operation Lion's Leap was launched.


Najaf:
#1: Sadr's office in the town of Nafar, south of Diwaniyah, was also raided on Monday as part of the crackdown, Buderi told AFP.


Nasiriyah:
#1: An Iraqi translator who used to work for coalition forces in the city of Nasiriyah was shot dead by gunmen on Monday, police Lieutenant Colonel Falah al-Siaidi. He said the translator had stopped working for the coalition forces a month ago.


Latifiya:
#1: The decomposed body of a man was found in the town of Latifiya, 40 km (25 miles) south of Baghdad, on Sunday night, police said


Iskandariya:
#1: The body of a man who had been shot in the head was found on Sunday night in the town of Iskandariya, 40 km (25 miles) south of Baghdad, police said.


Hilla:
#1: In Hillah, 100 kilometres south of Baghdad, Abu-Ahmed al-Basri, one of the advisors of Iraqi Premier Nuri al-Maliki survived an assassination attempt, according to the Iraqi police. The convoy of the official was targeted by an explosive device but no injuries were reported.


Kut:
#1: Police retrieved the body of a three-year-old boy from a river on Sunday in the city of Kut, 170 km (105 miles) southeast of Baghdad, police said.


Basra:
#1: Five children and their mother were killed, and two other siblings were wounded when a rocket hit their house in western Basra at an early hour on Monday morning, authorities said.


Tikrit:
#1: In Tikrit, 170 kilometres north of Baghdad, local police sources told dpa that US forces found five bodies belonging to police officers and bearing gunshot wounds and signs of torture.

#2: a car bomb which went off earlier in the day near the home of a senior officer wounded five people belonging to the same family, the same source said.


Dhuluiya:
#1: Before noon, police found a dead body in the Tigris River in Dhuluiya.

Baiji:
#1: Ten people — most of them women and children — were wounded when a car bomb exploded in front of a police officer's house farther north in Albu-Jawari village, on the northern outskirts of Beiji, about 155 miles north of the Iraqi capital, police said. The officer was not home.


Mosul:
#1: One policeman was killed and two wounded in a drive-by shooting at a police checkpoint in Mosul, 390 km (240 miles) north of Baghdad, police said.