Can Atheists Be Parents?

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by pcjohnnyb

if you are going to explain to me how something was created out of nothing...be my guest.

I used to be able to explain NEARLY every aspect of how a god could not exist...but thats where I'd get stuck. You simply cannot have physical things without some divine intervention. Sure, you can explain how different chemicals combine today to make different things, BUT, how do you explain exactly where carbon, oxygen, hydrogen, ect. atoms came from? You cannot even have the heat that was required to combine some atoms to other atoms to make different chemical combinations w/o the initial creation of something.

Tell me how something came from nothing and maybe I'll second guess my beliefs, but currently I can completely be against organized religion but still believe that some being had to have created the elements of the universe.

...and then, if there is a god, according to your logic, he/she/it must have come from somewhere/something, yes? Thus, god can not be god. And then, where did the thing/place god came from...come from? So, not even gods parents can be god. On and on and on.

So, God 'just is' makes it nice and tidy. Man is not meant to understand God, only obey, makes it even better. And yet, this magnificent omnipotent is not able to just sit down with me for five minutes, all of us, and say "I am going to send you to hell for all eternity if you don't join the correct religion and shape up."

Maybe he's afraid I'll start the whole thing all over again and ask where hell comes from?

But of course, God speaks to us all the time, I merely choose to not hear. So, off to hell I go. God gives us free will to ruin ourselves but he, like a parent who can't be bothered to spend time with their child says "Look, go read about it in a book or something. I'm busy."

[mAlice (Premo)]

The universe, and everything in it, was created when matter and antimatter collided.

[pcjohnnyb (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Kain99

Then it comes doown to who created the being. It's all very confusing.

o no.

you can explain that fine.

sure, it isn't EASY to explain how perfectly a human (or animal, plant even) could be created out of just a combination of elements, but it is possible. It is why we can have a general idea of what creatures will be like in millions of years, combining certain ways to deal with changes on this planet.

but I still just can't explain how anything can be created from NOTHING. not a "little" something with heat/cold/other interactions...it must be explained how anything can be created from nothing at all with no physical interaction with anything because nothing else exists.

[pcjohnnyb (Premo)]

Originally Posted by mAlice

The universe, and everything in it, was created when matter and antimatter collided.

but how did matter exist from nothing?

[mAlice (Premo)]

Originally Posted by pcjohnnyb

but how did matter exist from nothing?

I don't know enough about physics to answer that question. I actually stole it from something I read.

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by mAlice

The universe, and everything in it, was created when matter and antimatter collided.

...Uncle Matter and Whatsa Matter?

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by pcjohnnyb

but how did matter exist from nothing?

...matter?

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by pcjohnnyb

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but I still just can't explain how anything can be created from NOTHING. not a "little" something with heat/cold/other interactions...it must be explained how anything can be created from nothing at all with no physical interaction with anything because nothing else exists.

...God was playing with matches and, pretty soon, whoosh, he set the universe on fire.

Now, where did he get those dang matches? Some careless addicted smoker no doubt...

[pcjohnnyb (Premo)]

Originally Posted by mAlice

I don't know enough about physics to answer that question. I actually stole it from something I read.

precisely my point.

I understand your beliefs...I think

You live your life off of morality correct?

That is fine and dandy, I'm all for it...BUT...when you attempt to say there is not a god, but yet cannot explain HOW the universe can exist without one, you are in the same exact boat as the people who say we must have been created by a god, and again give no explanation.

[nhboy (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

...if Southern leaders were not insistent on fighting, they would have announced withdrawal from the Union, as they did. They would have established their own government, as they did.

And then they would have entered into negotiations with the federal government to peacefully and patiently acquire each and every piece of federal property in the succeeded states, from arsenals to forts to offices to pencils and paper.

As it was, they did so violently and asked for war. The North said...

OK.

I'm not up on the war so please bear with me. Could it be said that the secessionists did not trust or even know how to manipulate the existing political system in order to gain their objective? If so, it would seem that they had no real choice other than to fight. What's your take on this?