Woman can't let Grandson die in vain..............

[kwillia]

Originally Posted by vraiblonde

Wanna be my Easter bonnet?

Apparently there's a line...

I agree with you that Sady is spouting forth with passion and not thinking this through clearly. I'm hoping she'll get the point we are trying to make by reading my last post. I have faith.

[kwillia]

Originally Posted by Sadysue

I don't have issues with free speech, I have issues with letting children die. If you disagree with me that is fine. If insulting me makes you fell better, that is fine too. I'm a big girl.

As heartbreaking as the thought of a child dying is... you don't get to make the decisions for someone else and their child... neither did Granny Olga. That's the way it should be.

[vraiblonde]

Originally Posted by Sadysue

Disagreeing with someone and insulting them are two different things.

I don't have issues with free speech, I have issues with letting children die.

Mommy of the World.

[Sadysue]

Originally Posted by kwillia

No, no, no... you missed the point. If you agreed to the abortion with the hopes of saving your daughter than that you mean you aren't a devout Christian and it's a moot point because you aren't trying to think like someone of faith. I said, "Let's say you are a devout Christian..." that would mean you believe it is wrong to willfully abort the unborn and that the sin would result in eternal damnation. You would not want others to force you or your daughter into eternal damnation.

Yeah, you're right. I don't know what the right answer is. I would not want it to come down to a government agency making the decision, however, it kills me to see these kids denied life saving treatment. I guess I just wish parents would not make these kind of religious decisions for their children. I don't think it is fair to the kids.

[vraiblonde]

Originally Posted by Sadysue

I don't think it is fair to the kids.

But how do you know that Jehovah's Witnesses aren't doing it the right way? That by this kid saying no to medical treatment, he didn't gain eternal salvation?

How do you know he's not in Heaven right now?

[kwillia]

Originally Posted by Sadysue

Yeah, you're right. I don't know what the right answer is. I would not want it to come down to a government agency making the decision, however, it kills me to see these kids denied life saving treatment. I guess I just wish parents would not make these kind of religious decisions for their children. I don't think it is fair to the kids.

I knew what you were getting at, but I refused to go to bed before helping you see the light. It's really not something you should fret over... what's that saying...

May you have the strength to change the things you can, ignore the things you can't and the wisdom to know the difference.

[Dymphna]

Originally Posted by kwillia

His mother supported his decision. I'm sure you wouldn't want others to force their beliefs and faith on you and your child if it didn't match yours.

Actually, it wasn't his mother, it was his aunt who had custody. His mother and father wanted him to have the transfusions.

The state flew in Dennis' parents, who wanted Dennis to accept the blood.

[vraiblonde]

Originally Posted by Dymphna

Actually, it wasn't his mother, it was his aunt who had custody. His mother and father wanted him to have the transfusions.

But they didn't have custody of him or raise him - the aunt did.

I remember following this case somewhat when it was going on, and I was chilled to the bone at the thought of a court deciding what part of a person's faith they could and couldn't practice. The judge ended up making the right decision, in my opinion. For a court to decide that this kid MUST go against his faith for his own good should frighten the hell out of every single one of us.

[kwillia]

Originally Posted by Dymphna

Actually, it wasn't his mother, it was his aunt who had custody. His mother and father wanted him to have the transfusions.

They gave up their parental rights. Their opinion no longer holds value. The family that raised him truly believe they have done right by the child. I'm not saying it's what I would have chosen. I'm saying that as the boys legal guardian, they made the choice they felt was best for him and he agreed. We don't get to force our beliefs on them.

[Dymphna]

Originally Posted by kwillia

They gave up their parental rights. Their opinion no longer holds value. The family that raised him truly believe they have done right by the child. I'm not saying it's what I would have chosen. I'm saying that as the boys legal guardian, they made the choice they felt was best for him and he agreed. We don't get to force our beliefs on them.

Yes they did. But it adds a different element to the situation. Imagine realizing that your life is effed up and signing away your child to someone else because you believe it's in the best interest of your child and then having this happen.

Legally, the parents don't have a right, neither does grandma, but they should have considered that before giving the child to someone with radical beliefs. The parents could have retained parental rights and did for a while after the child was with the aunt. Grandma would probably have had first dibs on custody if she'd wanted it. Legally the courts made the right decision. Morally, the parents/grandmother should have objected to the child being raised the way he was before it became a matter of life and death.