Winter Soldier II Tale-Tellers Stumped

[cwo_ghwebb]

If you did what you did, or saw what you saw, why hesitate?

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Here are the videos.....
Winter Soldier Testimony | Iraq Veterans Against the War

[cwo_ghwebb]

Originally Posted by nhboy

Here are the videos.....

News conference video from the looks of it. Have they testified under oath to Congress or sworn an affidavit about which they speak?

Too many of those who have spoken in this way i.e. Jesse MacBeth, have been discredited. I'm sure there are many who have served and disagree with policy. I disagreed with Clinton when he was President. But he was the CINC, period. I did my job and kept my mouth shut. Perhaps if I didn't have any options at the end of my time I would have run to the press in an attempt to make some bucks, but some are prepared for civilian life and some aren't.

This has been true throughout history.

Band of Fakers

The fact that military service has once again become respectable means America is currently fielding a bumper crop of frauds claiming to have fought somewhere or other — and they have the medals to prove it.
Last May, FBI Special Agent Thomas Cottone, Jr. told the Wall Street Journal that for every actual Navy SEAL today, there are at least 300 imposters. And more than twice as many people say they've received the Medal of Honor than the 124 living recipients who actually earned it. The frauds have so infuriated real veterans and their families that dozens of websites have sprung up to identify both the true heroes and the fakes, such as AuthentiSEAL.org and HomeOfHeros.

We are now four years into the war on terror, and already, the tales of phony valor and fake atrocities, in Afghanistan and Iraq are legion. As usual, the stories are whoppers, and as usual, reporters are all-too-willing to accept them at face value.

Sgt. Andrew Isbell was seemingly among the most heroic of the returning soldiers from the war in Iraq. When he appeared at his drug-possession trial in Rockport, Texas in August of 2004, neatly clad in his Army uniform, he told jurors that he had recently earned two Bronze Stars in Iraq, plus a Purple Heart for the bullet wound in his shoulder. Jurors were sympathetic to the fact that Isbell, an infantryman, was on medical leave from his dangerous job patrolling the streets of Baghdad, and acquitted him.

Subsequent investigation proved that Isbell had seen no combat, suffered no wounds, and earned no decorations. He wasn't even a sergeant. He had instead worked in food service as a private, and had been discharged from the Army after being AWOL for two months. For his lies in court, Isbell was charged with aggravated perjury.

Sgt. Thomas Larez was another seemingly heroic vet. He'd suffered multiple gunshot and shrapnel wounds when he pulled an injured soldier to safety while under fire from the Taliban in Afghanistan. Despite his wounds and temporary blindness caused by a concussion grenade, Larez rallied, killed seven Taliban fighters, and captured a gaggle of others. A Dallas television station celebrated Laraz's exploits, only to sheepishly run a retraction when it turned out that, while Larez was indeed a Marine, he had never set foot in Afghanistan.

Fake War Stories Exposed, Weekly Standard: Phony Soldiers Bring Shame To Military Forces - CBS News



I'm not going to pass judgment until these folks sign an affidavit.

[forestal]

So, like the Drug Addict Rush Limbaugh, you are proclaiming them "phony soldiers".

Yep, you are of his ilk.

Originally Posted by cwo_ghwebb

News conference video from the looks of it. Have they testified under oath to Congress or sworn an affidavit about which they speak?

Too many of those who have spoken in this way i.e. Jesse MacBeth, have been discredited. I'm sure there are many who have served and disagree with policy. I disagreed with Clinton when he was President. But he was the CINC, period. I did my job and kept my mouth shut. Perhaps if I didn't have any options at the end of my time I would have run to the press in an attempt to make some bucks, but some are prepared for civilian life and some aren't.

This has been true throughout history.

Band of Fakers

The fact that military service has once again become respectable means America is currently fielding a bumper crop of frauds claiming to have fought somewhere or other — and they have the medals to prove it.
Last May, FBI Special Agent Thomas Cottone, Jr. told the Wall Street Journal that for every actual Navy SEAL today, there are at least 300 imposters. And more than twice as many people say they've received the Medal of Honor than the 124 living recipients who actually earned it. The frauds have so infuriated real veterans and their families that dozens of websites have sprung up to identify both the true heroes and the fakes, such as AuthentiSEAL.org and HomeOfHeros.

We are now four years into the war on terror, and already, the tales of phony valor and fake atrocities, in Afghanistan and Iraq are legion. As usual, the stories are whoppers, and as usual, reporters are all-too-willing to accept them at face value.

Sgt. Andrew Isbell was seemingly among the most heroic of the returning soldiers from the war in Iraq. When he appeared at his drug-possession trial in Rockport, Texas in August of 2004, neatly clad in his Army uniform, he told jurors that he had recently earned two Bronze Stars in Iraq, plus a Purple Heart for the bullet wound in his shoulder. Jurors were sympathetic to the fact that Isbell, an infantryman, was on medical leave from his dangerous job patrolling the streets of Baghdad, and acquitted him.

Subsequent investigation proved that Isbell had seen no combat, suffered no wounds, and earned no decorations. He wasn't even a sergeant. He had instead worked in food service as a private, and had been discharged from the Army after being AWOL for two months. For his lies in court, Isbell was charged with aggravated perjury.

Sgt. Thomas Larez was another seemingly heroic vet. He'd suffered multiple gunshot and shrapnel wounds when he pulled an injured soldier to safety while under fire from the Taliban in Afghanistan. Despite his wounds and temporary blindness caused by a concussion grenade, Larez rallied, killed seven Taliban fighters, and captured a gaggle of others. A Dallas television station celebrated Laraz's exploits, only to sheepishly run a retraction when it turned out that, while Larez was indeed a Marine, he had never set foot in Afghanistan.

Fake War Stories Exposed, Weekly Standard: Phony Soldiers Bring Shame To Military Forces - CBS News



I'm not going to pass judgment until these folks sign an affidavit.

[nhboy (Premo)]

Originally Posted by cwo_ghwebb

I'm not going to pass judgment until these folks sign an affidavit.

You clearly have indicated that you think Iraq Veterans Against The War are not sincere nor truthful and have placed them in the same category as those dishonest individuals in the articles you posted.

Why don't you go to their website and ask them to sign an affidavit, better yet see if they can provide their DD-214 for you to look at. You really are a crass simpleton.

Iraq Veterans Against the War

[Lenny]

Originally Posted by nhboy

Why don't you go to their website and ask them to sign an affidavit, better yet see if they can provide their DD-214 for you to look at. You really are a crass simpleton.

Iraq Veterans Against the War

DONE. Now let's see if they answer the e-mail or post any proof of service for their membership.

[cwo_ghwebb]

Originally Posted by nhboy

You clearly have indicated that you think Iraq Veterans Against The War are not sincere nor truthful and have placed them in the same category as those dishonest individuals in the articles you posted.

Why don't you go to their website and ask them to sign an affidavit, better yet see if they can provide their DD-214 for you to look at. You really are a crass simpleton.

I am a simpleton. Just not crass.

Went to their website, obviously. Otherwise how would I deduce they were talking at a news conference? Your analytical skills are superior to any I've met.

A DD-214 wouldn't back up any of their claims. Red herring on your part. About the only facts the form would substantiate is their military education, awards and job, not actions.

Signing an affidavit would lend credibility to their claims. Refusal to sign is an indication (at least to me) of untrustworthiness.

And forestool, I didn't write they were phony soldiers. I was reserving judgment. You inferred something I did not imply. Read, forestool, and get an education. Or get back on your meds, you're wound too tight.

[nhboy (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Lenny

DONE. Now let's see if they answer the e-mail or post any proof of service for their membership.

Please post text of the email you sent.