Planned Parenthood

[puggymom]

Originally Posted by This_person

No one is suggesting forcing people to have babies, just not kill the ones they chose to have. Also, no one is suggesting people have babies to answer a fertility issue of someone else, just not kill the child they chose to have, and if they can't support it, offer a choice of someone else to raise and take responsibility for the life they chose to bring into this world.

It is not 'brought into this world' until is passes the birth canal--or the 1 in 4 chance of major surgery. So by taking away the decision to have an abortion you are in fact forcing them to have children.

[puggymom]

Originally Posted by This_person

He may not be the one carrying the child during gestation, but he would be there for the child (legally and morally) for at least 18 years (kinda trumps the 9 months). Also, presuming this isn't a rape issue, we're talking about a conscious choice of two individuals to potentially create a child, so why is his voice less than hers should the child be wanted (or, unwanted for that matter)?Statistically, can you back that up? Do most abortions kill babies of lower income parents?I'm not for getting involved in people's business like this. I'm just against murder.

Legally speaking NO it is not murder. Sorry but until the laws are changed (which I doubt they will be) it just isn't.

Originally Posted by ItalianScallion

Except for "the morning after" pill, no I'm not. If people would save it for marriage, this wouldn't be as big of a problem as it is today.

Okay, Mr. Born Again. The fact is most teenagers/adults do have sex. They probably scrump in the bathroom or in the parking lot while you are having your classes. Hello!!!

When you got pregnant, did you think that it was a fish or frog inside of you and, if you needed to, you could abort her until the 14th week?
Did you ever think it wasn't a human life? If you know it is human from conception, how can you say it is OK to kill it ever?

My baby is here today and doing well TYVM. I still respect the decisions other women make.

So the feeling of hoplessness is a reason for murdering an innocent life?

I had an option, but others do not. I got married (shotgun style)

You contradict yourself a lot here it seems. You're ok with abortion and her right to choose but it makes you cringe??????

She will be 20 this December. I cringe at the thought of her having to make a decision of such a magnitude.

Planned Parenthood is there for her to hopefully prevent such a decision ever having to be made.

[puggymom]

Originally Posted by This_person

Until what age of child? Seriously, should a third trimester baby be killed in this fashion? How about a 1 year old that she didn't realize would be such a life changing event - retroactive abortion? How is the first or second tri-mester any different from the point of view of taking another person's life than the third, or the first year of life?I do, too. I have a great amount of sympathy/empathy for someone feeling they're that choiceless that they'd kill someone for their own well being in the future. But, I feel even more for the unborn child, personally. The innocent life that was not part of the decision to be born; the decision the mother and father made. (I'm ruling out rape/incest as they're an insignificant percentage of abortions performed).

Because it is not legally a life until it is born. Once it is born it has the same rights as everyone else. Two organisms cannot have legal rights over the same body.

[puggymom]

Originally Posted by This_person

Until there's something as effective a birth control as abstinence, I'd say you're wrong. It's much less a risk, but not a non-issue.Both parents have consequences, as does the child, regarding the choice.

So are you saying that I should stop having sex with my husband? We are finished have children and he had a vasectomy. Should we abstain for the rest of our lives because of the chance the vasectomy could reverse? Does does not account for a healthy marriage to me.

[puggymom]

Originally Posted by This_person

I agree the statistic kind of implies the lower level, but it doesn't speak to the people above the poverty level, but below 300% of the poverty level. As you say, statistics can prove anything You're suggesting that parents can and should have the right to starve their children, or each other, or handicapped family members under their care - anyone who couldn't get by on their own.

Because, a womb is not comparable to a breathing machine. There's a certain implied level of care one assumes when they choose to be a parent (a choice made at intercourse, not at birth). That implied care includes the gestation period. Now, once the child is born, they certainly have the choice to not provide for the child. If they do that by giving the child up for adoption, that's legal and humane. If they choose not to by killing the child ("won't support", as you said), that's murder. In my opinion, that includes the time from knowledge of being pregnant through the child's emancipation. We wouldn't tolerate a mother (or father) getting a prescription that htey know will kill a child for the child with the full intent of actually killing that child, so why do we tolerate a mother killing the child chemically or medically in the womb?

That is your opinion. Why do you get to decide the value of life for others? Cancer is a living organism. So why don't we ban chemo and radiation because after all it kills that living organism.

Originally Posted by BadGirl

I'm going to go home tonight and write out a little monetary donation and send it to Planned Parenthood.

They were there for me when I needed inexpensive contraception and informed information. I'll return the favor.

[mv_princess]

Originally Posted by Wenchy

I knew a girl in college who went to NY to get a third trimester abortion. I could never look at her again. It wasn't a health issue, but sheer laziness on her part. I have no problem with a first trimester abortion and none at all if the parent(s) find out in the second trimester that the fetus has a genetic abnormality. Partial birth abortions sicken me.

As far as killing a born child: Unfortunately, it happens frequently. That child would have been better off either never happening or being aborted once conceived. There are plenty of unfit parents out there.




Until you are a woman, and find yourself feeling hopeless, you will never understand the choice some have made.

I support Planned Parenthood completely because they provide birth control so the alternative doesn't even have to be an issue.

On that note of choices and options.

My daughter is coming home for the summer before a year abroad. She has an appt. with Planned Parenthood in July. They are providing her with 9 months of birth control (she pays for it) since she will not be around for her regular appt's (she has to go in every 3 months...pretty good, isn't it?)

If something happened to go wrong she would have four options.

Have an abortion.

Have the child and slow down/stop her college education (this is what I chose to do when I found out I was expecting her)

I could take over the upbringing of her child while she finishes her studies (I am lucky I can offer this option)

She could give the baby up for adoption.

*Thank goodness for birth control and Planned Parenthood for being there to provide it*

...because the above options make me cringe just typing them.

Wenchy,

I would like to say thank you. Thank you Thank you Thank you.

I am without insurance at the current moment, and need to get birth control (*for more reasons then just sex*). And it looks like I will need to go to Planned Parent Hood, but I was very worried that if I walked in there it would just be an abortion clinic. And I didn't want people to look at me like I had done something horribly wrong.


So again Thank you.

[pcjohnnyb (Premo)]

Originally Posted by mv_princess

Wenchy,

I would like to say thank you. Thank you Thank you Thank you.

I am without insurance at the current moment, and need to get birth control (*for more reasons then just sex*). And it looks like I will need to go to Planned Parent Hood, but I was very worried that if I walked in there it would just be an abortion clinic. And I didn't want people to look at me like I had done something horribly wrong.


So again Thank you.

I don't understand...
The health clinic is NOT planned parenthood...is it?

I am for both, as can be seen in this thread, but I didn't realize they were one in the same...why can you not go to the health clinic for free BC?

[puggymom]

And on the choosing to have sex note don't you have like a 1 in 8 chance of getting into a car accident every time you drive. Does that mean you deserve to get into an accident just because you choose to drive?