Planned Parenthood

[puggymom]

Originally Posted by This_person

Once again, cancer will not grow into a human. The difference between a cancer cell and a human baby is so great that I would think you'd understand it, as a mother.

I am just playing devils advocate with the arguement that the baby is a living organism in a body just as cancer living organism in the body.
I PERSONALLY undertsand it but I will not pretend to be able to definate what kind of life is valuable for someone else.

[tommyjones]

Originally Posted by itsbob

Because the baby wasn't in HIS body, it wasn't HIS choice.

She wanted to have the baby apparently, it's her body her choice.

I have faith in the intelligence of MOST women. If given the facts I fully support them to make the right choice.

I don't believe myself to be superior to have to make informed decisions for them.

Give them the facts, if they are over 18 (what the US deems to be an adult and capable of making adult decsions) and decide an abortion is right for them, who am I to force my rights, beliefs, and morals upon them??

Would I ever want to abort a baby? NO, absolutely not. I still wouldn't force my opinion on someone else.

above you wll find the answer to this question, good work bob.

100% agree

[This_person]

Originally Posted by puggymom

I know this probably sounds but I wish they could be able to remove the 'embryo-fetus-baby' and place it in some sort ot womb-like incubator until it is fully developed.

I suspect that eventually we will be able to do that. It's getting closer and closer. As stated above, babies are being delivered earlier and earlier and living. A baby is "viable" IMO once the fertilized egg is in the womb, and continues to be until a natural miscarriage or birth.

[This_person]

Originally Posted by puggymom

EEERRRRRRR!!!!!!! I do not know how to separate the quote thingys without messing up so bare with me.

I'm still trying to figure out how to do a lot of stuff on here I see others do. To separate out, type the [ then /quote then the ], and that will end the quoting of the last. To start the next time of quoting the other person, type the [ then quote then ], and it will restart quoting the other person.

Me personally, NO!!!! I love my children. BUT YES there are people out there who view a fetus as a alien parasite that is invading thier bodies.

Ah, well, now we're getting back to the basic question of the debate - what is life. This "parasite" was intentionally self inflicted, and is a human. I understand that people see it as a "clump of cells" like cancer, but that may be the education people need that you keep describing - to understand the difference between any other "clump of cells" like a cold virus or cancer, and the "clump of cells" that is a human life in the womb. Maybe if people were taught the difference, they wouldn't accept killing that human as a reasonable option.

As for the killing the pregnant woman and being charged with two muders or even just killing her fetus well again I am PRO CHOICE. By doing that you are taking her choice away.

But, why does that life have the legal status of a life in one instance, but not the other? That's the question. It is a separate, legally protected life in some circumstances, but not this particular one.

Once a baby is born it hs legal rights. Before that it does not as two people cannot have the same legal rights over one body.

But, it's not one body. It's one body inside of another body.

And my point is abortion still would be accessable if RvW was overturned. Heck conservative South Dakota voted down an abortion law because it failed to include the life of the mother.

And, drugs are still available even though they're illegal. People are in this country illegally. People speed in their vehicles. Guns are not allowed near schools, yet people get shot at school. Kids are not allowed to cut class, but do. Murder is not allowed at all, but happens every day anyway.

That they'll still happen is not the point. Federal money paying for it to happen, and the law allowing this murder is the point.

[This_person]

Originally Posted by puggymom

It has nothing to do with that but with the woman and the baby. The baby cannot have the same legal rights as the mother.

My point is that babies DO have the same legal rights in some circumstances, but not others.

[This_person]

Originally Posted by itsbob

Because the baby wasn't in HIS body, it wasn't HIS choice.

She wanted to have the baby apparently, it's her body her choice.

I have faith in the intelligence of MOST women. If given the facts I fully support them to make the right choice.

I don't believe myself to be superior to have to make informed decisions for them.

Give them the facts, if they are over 18 (what the US deems to be an adult and capable of making adult decsions) and decide an abortion is right for them, who am I to force my rights, beliefs, and morals upon them??

Would I ever want to abort a baby? NO, absolutely not. I still wouldn't force my opinion on someone else.

What about the baby's choice? Again, my point with this is that the baby is considered a separate human being in this case - separate from the mother's life. I fully believe in the intelligence of most people also, but I think any education that lessens the value of a human because it's still connected at the cord is bad education. This devaluation of human life is just plain wrong.

[This_person]

Originally Posted by puggymom

I am just playing devils advocate with the arguement that the baby is a living organism in a body just as cancer living organism in the body.
I PERSONALLY undertsand it but I will not pretend to be able to definate what kind of life is valuable for someone else.

But, that's really the whole point - the baby is a valuable life already. It's not a "clump of cells". We wouldn't say this about a one day old, why a minus one day old?

[Radiant1]

Originally Posted by itsbob

Careful, your ignorance is showing again.

Denegrating a person that's been dead HOW long to further your argument?

You were doing good until that point, now you've just shown that you haven't done your own research, just parroting what you've been told.

Bob, surely you cannot deny that the woman believed that there were superior and inferior persons of humanity due to their race and advocated eugenics. If I'm so ignorant and you are so enlightened, then by all means quote her in context for us.

I don't suppose you'd ever think to denegrate Hitler now that he's been dead for so long eh?

[itsbob (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Radiant1

Bob, surely you cannot deny that the woman believed that there were superior and inferior persons of humanity due to their race and advocated eugenics. If I'm so ignorant and you are so enlightened, then by all means quote her in context for us.

I don't suppose you'd ever think to denegrate Hitler now that he's been dead for so long eh?

Actually what she said is she didn't want women forced into preganancy over and over again, and bing forced to support 15 kids when they couldn't afford to have one or two.

She thought birth control was the answer.

She put her efforts into the ghetto's, where the majority of people were black, as these were the people she felt most needed it, and were the most abused..

AFER explaining this in one of her speeches she exclaimed that she hoped nobody would think she was trying to eradicate the balck race.

Of course all we get from this speech from the anti abortionist crowd is We are trying to eradicate the black race.

[Radiant1]

Originally Posted by itsbob

Actually what she said is she didn't want women forced into preganancy over and over again, and bing forced to support 15 kids when they couldn't afford to have one or two.

She thought birth control was the answer.

She put her efforts into the ghetto's, where the majority of people were black, as these were the people she felt most needed it, and were the most abused..

AFER explaining this in one of her speeches she exclaimed that she hoped nobody would think she was trying to eradicate the balck race.

Of course all we get from this speech from the anti abortionist crowd is We are trying to eradicate the black race.

Quotes in context please.