Planned Parenthood

[tommyjones]

Originally Posted by pcjohnnyb

I wonder what the doctor would say if you asked for birthcontrol AFTER being preggo though?

Just a thought

I knew what you meant, I was just knitpicking. (is it knit or nit pick?)

and there is the difference, one is preventative, the other a response...

[vegmom]

Contraception is not abortion. An abortion is what happens when a pregnancy ends before the fetus is viable, either by nature (misscarriage) or medical inducement.

Things like IUDs, Plan B, etc do NOT cause abortions. They prevent fertilized eggs from implanting themselves into the uterine lining (a secondary effect of standard oral contraceptives should they fail to prevent ovulation).

Until implantation has occured there is no pregnancy. Even women who don't use contraceptives pass fertilized eggs before they are implanted. No pregnancy = no abortion.

[itsbob (Premo)]

Originally Posted by libby

I went ahead and did some extra reading of Sanger's articles, and found nothing to disprove that she was a racist of the worst kind. Even some who defend the outcome of PP agree that MS is indefensible.
As R1 said many posts ago, a few quotes taken out of context might be reason to accuse pro-lifers of hysteria, but not all of her own writings, and those in her Birth Control Journal (hmm..I'm pretty sure that was the title.)
I do not hold Sanger personally accountable for the behavior of today's Planned Parenthood, however as a society we should look at PP with a much more critical eye in light of the reported events.
It is a fact that PP has gained for itself a reputation for altruism, and it is going to be a difficult task to reveal the truth of their practices, from racism to failure to report crimes.

Then by all means, post one of these articles in it's entirety.. and not snippets taken from anti-abortion sites.

[itsbob (Premo)]

Originally Posted by pcjohnnyb

I wonder what the doctor would say if you asked for birthcontrol AFTER being preggo though?

Just a thought

I knew what you meant, I was just knitpicking. (is it knit or nit pick?)

RU486?

[pcjohnnyb (Premo)]

Originally Posted by itsbob

RU486?

Thus, the equivalent of an "abortion"...correct?

Mifepristone is a synthetic steroid compound used as a pharmaceutical. It is used as an abortifacient in the first two months of pregnancy, and in smaller doses as an emergency contraceptive.

An abortifacient is a substance that induces abortion.

but I digress.

We are getting too technical where we are in-fact agreeing

[itsbob (Premo)]

It is our experience, as it was our aim, that as a result of child-spacing, and adequate care of mothers, death rates would be reduced. It is now a fact that as a result of birth control, the survival rate among mothers and children is higher. There is less suffering for all groups.

Yep, she hated blacks and jews.. and Hispanics.. I mean I THINK that's what she meant by "ALL GROUPS"!

[pcjohnnyb (Premo)]

Originally Posted by itsbob

It is our experience, as it was our aim, that as a result of child-spacing, and adequate care of mothers, death rates would be reduced. It is now a fact that as a result of birth control, the survival rate among mothers and children is higher. There is less suffering for all groups.

Yep, she hated blacks and jews.. and Hispanics.. I mean I THINK that's what she meant by "ALL GROUPS"!

She said "groups"?

Racist.

[itsbob (Premo)]

• A sickly race is a weak race. As long as Negro mothers die in childbirth at two and one-half times the rate of white mothers, as long as Negro babies are dying at twice the rate of white babies, colored homes will be unhappy.

This doesn't sound like it came from a racist in the '20's, but someone that cared about their plight and wanted to do something about it.

[itsbob (Premo)]

What hangs over the South is that the Negro has been in servitude. The white southerner is slow to forget this. His attitude is the archaic in this age. Supremacist thinking belongs in the museum.

Yep, she was WAAAAAY racist for her time..

[itsbob (Premo)]

• No woman can call herself free who does not own and control her body. No woman can call herself free until she can choose consciously whether she will or will not be a mother.

• Greater understanding and practice of planned parenthood, through the use of contraceptive measures prescribed by doctors and clinics, will mean that there will be more strong and healthy children and fewer defective and handicapped babies unable to find a useful or happy place in life.

• Woman must have her freedom, the fundamental freedom of choosing whether or not she will be a mother and how many children she will have. Regardless of what man's attitude may be, that problem is hers -- and before it can be his, it is hers alone. She goes through the vale of death alone, each time a babe is born. As it is the right neither of man nor the state to coerce her into this ordeal, so it is her right to decide whether she will endure it.

• It is our experience, as it was our aim, that as a result of child-spacing, and adequate care of mothers, death rates would be reduced. It is now a fact that as a result of birth control, the survival rate among mothers and children is higher. There is less suffering for all groups.

I can see why all the women and anti abortionists hate her!!