Planned Parenthood

[tommyjones]

Originally Posted by libby

Sources cited.

you are stretching it to say that is racist. in fact the first part that you made red indicated exactly the opposite.....



as for wanting to decrease the number of retarded and infirm, i am guessing you are in favor of MORE mentally and physically defective children being born?

Planned parenthood and or medical professionals have gone to great lengths to help us have healthier children more often, i dont see how that is a bad thing.

[tommyjones]

Originally Posted by Radiant1

As I said before the site I posted isn't the only one, and in fact wasn't the site that Bob was fussin' about to begin with, not to mention the site I posted actually cites its sources, so at least when I do get around to reading Sanger's material I'll know where to look.



"Greater understanding and practice of planned parenthood, through the use of contraceptive measures prescribed by doctors and clinics, will mean that there will be more strong and healthy children and fewer defective and handicapped babies unable to find a useful or happy place in life."

I'll still call it as I see it. It reeks.

do you not know what contraceptives are?

[libby]

Originally Posted by tommyjones

you are stretching it to say that is racist. in fact the first part that you made red indicated exactly the opposite.....



as for wanting to decrease the number of retarded and infirm, i am guessing you are in favor of MORE mentally and physically defective children being born?

Planned parenthood and or medical professionals have gone to great lengths to help us have healthier children more often, i dont see how that is a bad thing.

It's the engineering of births that is the problem. Today we have her exact philosophy in practice with identification of genes in an unborn child for the purpose of weighing the likelihood of some sort of disorder, and terminating a pregnancy.
As I said earlier, I do not blame Sanger personally for what is going on today. No one person is responsible for any of the evils of the world, from hunger to abortion. However, we all need to critically consider the the fundamental message and the precedent it sets.

[Radiant1]

Originally Posted by tommyjones

Planned parenthood and or medical professionals have gone to great lengths to help us have healthier children more often, i dont see how that is a bad thing.

It's not a bad thing in and of itself but PP readily performs abortions. If they didn't you would hear no argument from me.

Originally Posted by tommyjones

do you not know what contraceptives are?

Yes I do. In fact I'm more educated on contraceptives than you are, seeing how you don't seem to understand that some are abortificients.

[pcjohnnyb (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Radiant1

It's not a bad thing in and of itself but PP readily performs abortions. If they didn't you would hear no argument from me.

[tommyjones]

Originally Posted by Radiant1

It's not a bad thing in and of itself but PP readily performs abortions. If they didn't you would hear no argument from me.



Yes I do. In fact I'm more educated on contraceptives than you are, seeing how you don't seem to understand that some are abortificients.

i understand that you have some weird idea of when life starts. an egg that doesnt stick isn't an abortion in my book.

I'm guessing catholic, right?

[pcjohnnyb (Premo)]

Originally Posted by tommyjones

i understand that you have some weird idea of when life starts. an egg that doesnt stick isn't an abortion in my book.

I'm guessing catholic, right?

Don't forget...you aren't allowed to "spill your seed" either...so basically, no masturbating, no sex w/condoms, BC isn't allowed because sex is only for procreation...so no doing the do unless you plan to have babies...but you also can't relieve pent-up desire because that is breaking the "spilling" rule...so you are basically effed unless you are effing to have kids..

[vegmom]

Originally Posted by Radiant1

Yes I do. In fact I'm more educated on contraceptives than you are, seeing how you don't seem to understand that some are abortificients.

Contraception by definition prevents conception. They do not cause abortions because in order for one to occur conception has to have taken place. A fertilized egg does not equal conception. The egg must implant itself in the uterine lining before it can start to multiply and grow into an embryo. No implantation means no conception. Would you consider a fertilized egg that does not implant due to natural causes a misscarriage? If so than most sexually active women have had dozens.

I am personally opposed to abortion, but saying that contraceptives of any type causes abortions is medically inaccurate.

[Radiant1]

Originally Posted by tommyjones

i understand that you have some weird idea of when life starts. an egg that doesnt stick isn't an abortion in my book.

I'm guessing catholic, right?

It's not such a "weird" idea Tommy.

You would guess correctly; however, that has no real bearing on my views on the abortion issue. It hasn't changed my views on contraception either. So, maybe I'm not a good Catholic in that regard.

Originally Posted by vegmom

Contraception by definition prevents conception. They do not cause abortions because in order for one to occur conception has to have taken place. A fertilized egg does not equal conception. The egg must implant itself in the uterine lining before it can start to multiply and grow into an embryo. No implantation means no conception. Would you consider a fertilized egg that does not implant due to natural causes a misscarriage? If so than most sexually active women have had dozens.

I am personally opposed to abortion, but saying that contraceptives of any type causes abortions is medically inaccurate.

A fertilized egg does indeed equal conception or it wouldn't be fertilized, and it grows before implantation into the uterus.

con·cep·tion –noun
1. the act of conceiving; the state of being conceived.
2. fertilization; inception of pregnancy.

Yes, I do consider it a miscarriage when the fertilized egg (or zygote since you want to get medical) cannot implant by natural causes, and I'm sure it happens countless times to women around the world on a daily basis with them never having known they conceived.

Are you in the medical field Vegmom?

[This_person]

Originally Posted by vegmom

Contraception is not abortion. An abortion is what happens when a pregnancy ends before the fetus is viable, either by nature (misscarriage) or medical inducement.

Not to nit pick myself, but it's what happens AFTER the fetus is viable, also, when it's medically induced.