Planned Parenthood

[tommyjones]

Originally Posted by Radiant1

It's not such a "weird" idea Tommy.

You would guess correctly; however, that has no real bearing on my views on the abortion issue. It hasn't changed my views on contraception either. So, maybe I'm not a good Catholic in that regard.



A fertilized egg does indeed equal conception or it wouldn't be fertilized, and it grows before implantation into the uterus.

con·cep·tion –noun
1. the act of conceiving; the state of being conceived.
2. fertilization; inception of pregnancy.

Yes, I do consider it a miscarriage when the fertilized egg (or zygote since you want to get medical) cannot implant by natural causes, and I'm sure it happens countless times to women around the world on a daily basis with them never having known they conceived.

Are you in the medical field Vegmom?

so you not only get to decide what is morally correct for all women, but you are so righteous that you can determine when your church is wrong and you can ignore them? interesting....

so if you practice conception in your own life (as you post indicates) by your own definition you may had countless "abortions" as the result of your taking contraceptives.
na, thats not hypocritical in the least

[Radiant1]

Originally Posted by tommyjones

so you not only get to decide what is morally correct for all women, but you are so righteous that you can determine when your church is wrong and you can ignore them? interesting....

so if you practice conception in your own life (as you post indicates) by your own definition you may had countless "abortions" as the result of your taking contraceptives.
na, thats not hypocritical in the least

You're making assumptions again Tommy. Don't confuse birth control with contraceptive. All true contraceptives can be called birth control but not all birth control can be called a contraceptive. There's a difference between a contraceptive and an abortificient. Different forms of birth control work in different ways.

A bit of my background for you...I was not always Catholic. I did use the pill before I became Catholic and had two miscarriages and then two term pregnancies (two boys). Had I known then that the pill can at times work as an abortificient I would not have used it. After I became Catholic I was educated on abortificients and then used the NFP method (a true contraceptive, not an abortificient) and went on to have another two children (two girls).

At any rate, all four of the term pregnancies resulted in cesarean section. I was told by my OB after the last child that because I had so many cesarean sections that I would not be able to carry another pregnancy to term without rupturing my uterus, so therefore had my tubes tied with Church approval.

I don't have a problem with birth control as long as its a true contraceptive and not an abortificient/abortion, and I've already explained the difference and my reasons why. Call me a hypocrite for that if you will.

[tommyjones]

Originally Posted by Radiant1

You're making assumptions again Tommy. Don't confuse birth control with contraceptive. All true contraceptives can be called birth control but not all birth control can be called a contraceptive. There's a difference between a contraceptive and an abortificient. Different forms of birth control work in different ways.

A bit of my background for you...I was not always Catholic. I did use the pill before I became Catholic and had two miscarriages and then two term pregnancies (two boys). Had I known then that the pill can at times work as an abortificient I would not have used it. After I became Catholic I was educated on abortificients and then used the NFP method (a true contraceptive, not an abortificient) and went on to have another two children (two girls).

At any rate, all four of the term pregnancies resulted in cesarean section. I was told by my OB after the last child that because I had so many cesarean sections that I would not be able to carry another pregnancy to term without rupturing my uterus, so therefore had my tubes tied with Church approval.

I don't have a problem with birth control as long as its a true contraceptive and not an abortificient/abortion, and I've already explained the difference and my reasons why. Call me a hypocrite for that if you will.

i call you a hypocrite because you use religion as the basis for your comments, but then throw ou tthe parts that you dont agree with when it suits you. (i.e. birth contro, premarital sex, not divorcing etc.)

I dont care about your past, what i do care about is your thinking you have a right to tell anybody else how to live their life, especially when it is based on your religion, one that you freely ignore when it suits you.
that is hypocritical my dear.

[vegmom]

Originally Posted by This_person

Not to nit pick myself, but it's what happens AFTER the fetus is viable, also, when it's medically induced.

A viable fetus would be delivered, not aborted (medically or spontaneously aka miscarried). Viable means it could live on its own outside the womb- although that time gets pushed back by medical science every year. Who knows- we may have humans incubated inside some type of artificial pod one day.

[teenageddirtbag]

I have only read bits and pieces of this thread.
All I have to say is.
Abortion is murder whether you have an abortion at 3 weeks pregnant or three months pregnant.
Once you have a fertilized egg in you, it will be a baby eventually(considering you do not have a miscarriage). just because the baby inside of you cannot live on it's own outside the womb at the time that you abort the baby, doesnt mean it wasn't going to be able to in a few months, and it is still a person.
Around the 5th week of pregnancy is when that little guy has a heartbeat, and if you stop that heartbeat and take the baby out, it is murder. plain and simple.
Just because you do not consider the pregnancy a baby yet, doesnt mean it will not be considered a baby within a few months.
It is an excuse when people say,
"i was only pregnant for a month, it wasnt really a baby yet."
It's what people say when they don't want to feel bad for killing thier child. When you are pregnant it is a baby, and after 9 months, it is a person, and if you stop the pregnancy, you are taking a life that would have been.

IF YOU ARE PREGNANT AT ANY STAGE IT WILL EVENTUALLY BE A BABY. GETTING RID OF THAT BABY IS TAKING A LIFE.

[Fugazi]

Originally Posted by teenageddirtbag

I have only read bits and pieces of this thread.
All I have to say is.
Abortion is murder whether you have an abortion at 3 weeks pregnant or three months pregnant.
Once you have a fertilized egg in you, it will be a baby eventually(considering you do not have a miscarriage). just because the baby inside of you cannot live on it's own outside the womb at the time that you abort the baby, doesnt mean it wasn't going to be able to in a few months, and it is still a person.
Around the 5th week of pregnancy is when that little guy has a heartbeat, and if you stop that heartbeat and take the baby out, it is murder. plain and simple.
Just because you do not consider the pregnancy a baby yet, doesnt mean it will not be considered a baby within a few months.
It is an excuse when people say,
"i was only pregnant for a month, it wasnt really a baby yet."
It's what people say when they don't want to feel bad for killing thier child. When you are pregnant it is a baby, and after 9 months, it is a person, and if you stop the pregnancy, you are taking a life that would have been.

IF YOU ARE PREGNANT AT ANY STAGE IT WILL EVENTUALLY BE A BABY. GETTING RID OF THAT BABY IS TAKING A LIFE.

[itsbob (Premo)]

Originally Posted by libby

Fishing for context that makes her referenced words acceptable is an attempt to distract from the fact that Margaret Sanger was a racist, period. No amount of maneuvering can negate an oft repeated theme in her opinions.
I'd say nice try, but it wasn't.

Yet this is EXACTLY what youa re doing to label her a racist.

You don't like PP because they provide abortions. Sanger didn't like abortions either, and looked at contraception as a way to stop the needless amount of them.

OK, you quoted her as "Make sure the blacks don't think we are trying to eradicate their race"..

Did you know she was accused of doing JUST that to Italians, Baptists and Irishmen, WELL before the quote you use to label her a racist? Apparently you didn't know that, or you'd be able to make the connection between the two, and see how ignorant it really is to label her a racist.

And I may be wrong, but I'm pretty confident in 1916 that most Italians, Baptist's and Irishmen were WHITE!!!

Aparently she learned from her mistake, the introduction of contraception, and didn't want to make it again. I know it's difficult to understand, but PLEASE try.

You just keep believing what you are told, and don't do ANY research for yourself.

[vegmom]

Originally Posted by teenageddirtbag

Once you have a fertilized egg in you, it will be a baby eventually(considering you do not have a miscarriage).

No, it doesn't.

A fertilized egg that has not implanted has no chance of becoming a baby. Women pass unimplanted fertilized eggs all the time without any sort of medical intervention. You are not pregnant until it implants. Fertilized egg = potential pregnancy. No pregnancy, no baby.

[teenageddirtbag]

Originally Posted by vegmom

No, it doesn't.

A fertilized egg that has not implanted has no chance of becoming a baby. Women pass unimplanted fertilized eggs all the time without any sort of medical intervention. You are not pregnant until it implants. Fertilized egg = potential pregnancy. No pregnancy, no baby.

Okay i worded it wrong, once you pee on the stick and it says "you're pregnant." and you confirmed it ,It's a baby. and if you get rid of that pregnancy you get rid of a life.

[itsbob (Premo)]

Originally Posted by libby

It's the engineering of births that is the problem. Today we have her exact philosophy in practice with identification of genes in an unborn child for the purpose of weighing the likelihood of some sort of disorder, and terminating a pregnancy.

This is a bad thing??

"According to our test, your baby has no usable brain function. Will never be able to form a coherent though, walk, talk or communicate in any means. If he's born we can keep him alive by artificial means, and can live out a complete life."

What would you do?