Planned Parenthood

[ItalianScallion (Premo)]

Originally Posted by itsbob

So why do you have a problem giving the right to make this decison to the woman or couple that have to bear the burden of raising this child? You would want to have it, good for you.. but what about the woman that is just as educated as you, just as moral as you that decides no.. That is no life for anyone, and doesn't feel it morally right to bring a person into the world like that?
What gives ANYONE the right to force them to have that child?
If you want to so be it, but don't force someone else to.

Bob, why do you say we're forcing anyone to do anything? We're just saying it's wrong. They're free to do whatever they want, I think that's obvious by the abortion stats out today.

[Radiant1]

Originally Posted by tommyjones

so what exactly are the moral guidelines that you are using? you claim to be catholic, but make many moral decisions that are not in line with that church.

why is it that these women making a moral decision in their lives is wrong. while you making moral decisions in your life (that are wrong according to your own guidebook) that are apprently ok?


its called hypocritical....

which of the moral "commandments" (not just the big 10) do you choose to ignore in your life?

(funny that you claim yours are 'lesser' offenses)

You're the one who brought up religion, not me. I don't base my decisions on abortion by my religion. I do take umbrage to any offense that takes the life of an innocent human being. It's not that hard to understand Tommy.

As I said before, whether you think I'm a hypocrite or not doesn't change the facts.

Originally Posted by itsbob

No actually I didn't.

I think I picked it up from a research site about the most influential women in history.

The other I picked up from the Washington Post, or the NY Times and it's 100 most influential PEOPLE in American History.

I try not to read propaganda from EITHER side while I'm trying to make a decision about something or someone. You should try it, you might find it enlighteneing.

Fair 'nuff, but it makes me giggle if you think the Washington Post or NY Times isn't biased. As I said before, I will get around to reading Margaret Sanger's works in her own words, and when I do I'll be sure to post the full context of the statements quoted by pro-life sites that you whined about for yours, my own, and others edification. Again, thanks for going to the trouble.

[ItalianScallion (Premo)]

Originally Posted by tommyjones

sounds just like the Matt Dillion character in Somtethng About Mary when he is trying to tell her he works with the mentally challenged. it went something like:
"we got this one kid, forehead so big you could show a movie on it...
well i take him out on his leash to keep him out of his cage, i love that freakin retard...."

Only you could read something in my post that wasn't even stated. This kid is perfectly healthy, physically and mentally. Are you?

[puggymom]

Originally Posted by vegmom

BTW- my youngun' loves pugs (although all she can have right now is a Webkinz pug).

That is probably a good thing. I love my pug so much but he is the reason I will never own another dog again, ever, D-O-N-E! Of course he still has a good 10 years left.

[tommyjones]

Originally Posted by ItalianScallion

Only you could read something in my post that wasn't even stated. This kid is perfectly healthy, physically and mentally. Are you?

:youaresoclueless:

[PsyOps]

Originally Posted by itsbob

So why do you have a problem giving the right to make this decison to the woman or couple that have to bear the burden of raising this child? You would want to have it, good for you.. but what about the woman that is just as educated as you, just as moral as you that decides no.. That is no life for anyone, and doesn't feel it morally right to bring a person into the world like that?

They (the reason I say they is because it takes two) felt it was morally right to have sex together but not morally right to own up to the results? Well, isn’t that a moral dilemma? You have just described the immorality of it; having sex with no responsibility. And you wrote “That is no life for anyone”. Whose life are you talking about; the mother’s or the child that is about to be butchered? If you don’t feel it’s morally right to bring someone in the world like that, then don’t commit that act that would bring them into this world. How hard is that?

[ItalianScallion (Premo)]

Originally Posted by tommyjones

:youaresoclueless:

We'll see who's clueless on judgment day.

[tommyjones]

Originally Posted by ItalianScallion

We'll see who's clueless on judgment day.

you can't scare me with your religions verison of the boogie man.

[itsbob (Premo)]

Originally Posted by PsyOps

They (the reason I say they is because it takes two) felt it was morally right to have sex together but not morally right to own up to the results? Well, isn’t that a moral dilemma? You have just described the immorality of it; having sex with no responsibility. And you wrote “That is no life for anyone”. Whose life are you talking about; the mother’s or the child that is about to be butchered? If you don’t feel it’s morally right to bring someone in the world like that, then don’t commit that act that would bring them into this world. How hard is that?

that's what you believe, nobody's forcing you or your loved ones to have an abortion OR even use birth control

The law, as it is now, nobody is FORCED to have an abortion.

The way most people in here want it, is everyone is FORCED not to have one. Nobody will have a choice.

Her body, her choice.

[Go G-Men]

Originally Posted by This_person

Why do women have abortions?

REASONS FOR ABORTIONS: COMPILED ESTIMATES

• rape - 0.3 % (0.1-0.6 %)

• incest - 0.03 % (<0.1 %)

• physical life of mother - 0.2 % (0.1-0.3 %)

• physical health of mother - 1.0 % (0.1-3 %)

• fetal health - 0.5 % (0.1-1.0 %)

• mental health of mother - depends on definition

• "personal choice" - 98% (78-99 %)

• too young/immature/not ready for responsibility - (32 %)

• economic - 25% (21-28 %)

• to avoid adjusting life - (16 %)

• mother single or in poor relationship - (12-13 %)

• enough children already - (4-8 %)

So, with a little knowledge that rape, incest, mother's health/life, and baby's health/life account for around 2% of the abortions performed, would you agree that around 98% of the abortions performed should be stopped if those of us who disagree with abortion allow for those less than 2%?

No. Bottom line it is none of your business... If you want to help just go pray with all the other fanatics for those who choose abortion so that they may change their ways...

Here is a stat for ya... about 100% of those against abortion do nothing to help those that seek an abortion other than calling them murderers and trying to scare them into your belief system.

I remember when all a good Christian was supposed to do was pray for those sinners and now that has seemed to change to judging other sinners.... Guess God wasn't doing enough so you all decided to take matters into your own hands.