Planned Parenthood

[Go G-Men]

Originally Posted by This_person

A middle aged, affluent housewife who's not addicted to anything can be a crappy mother. Her husband can be a crappy father. The drug addicted prostitute can be a great mother, or a crappy mother.

Parenting skills are not the question. The right of killing other people is the question.

You didn't answer the question in this post, either

At what age is the murder murder instead of a "choice"?

Medically speaking: During the first Trimester....

[Go G-Men]

Originally Posted by This_person

I feel no need to explain, but you asked if I had been impacted. I have.

No, I'm male, it wasn't in me. I wasn't given that choice any more than my unborn child was.

At what age does this stop being okay (you haven't answered that yet)?

Maybe you should have abstained or "Stained" if you get the drift and then you would not have personally affected....

[Radiant1]

Originally Posted by itsbob

that's what you believe, nobody's forcing you or your loved ones to have an abortion OR even use birth control

The law, as it is now, nobody is FORCED to have an abortion.

The way most people in here want it, is everyone is FORCED not to have one. Nobody will have a choice.

Her body, her choice.

Do you have a living will Bob? If so, why? Surely if you were unable to make the decision of life or death for yourself you'd be OK with someone else making that choice for you, right?

[Go G-Men]

Originally Posted by This_person

A woman does not have to live with the child they chose to create after bearing it. There are many adoption agencies begging for those babies. There are many family members who may or may not help. The only choice being denied now is the baby's choice to live.

So you say there are many adoption agencies begging for these babies... If they are perfect little white babies.... What about the rest... Whose banging down the doors to help them??? Certainly not you!!

[tommyjones]

Originally Posted by Radiant1

Do you have a living will Bob? If so, why? Surely if you were unable to make the decision of life or death for yourself you'd be OK with someone else making that choice for you, right?

i dont know what your point is, but living wills generally speel out that its OK for them to let you die if you are effed.

So i am guessing if bob has one, he would be OK with others makign the choice

[Go G-Men]

Originally Posted by ItalianScallion

Except for "the morning after" pill, no I'm not. If people would save it for marriage, this wouldn't be as big of a problem as it is today.
When you got pregnant, did you think that it was a fish or frog inside of you and, if you needed to, you could abort her until the 14th week?
Did you ever think it wasn't a human life? If you know it is human from conception, how can you say it is OK to kill it ever?

So the feeling of hoplessness is a reason for murdering an innocent life?

You contradict yourself a lot here it seems. You're ok with abortion and her right to choose but it makes you cringe??????

Well why don't we just take this to the next level... Any sex that is NOT for conceptional purposes is illegal and punishable by prison. Yes the good old puritan days...

[This_person]

Originally Posted by itsbob

So why do you have a problem giving the right to make this decison to the woman or couple that have to bear the burden of raising this child? You would want to have it, good for you.. but what about the woman that is just as educated as you, just as moral as you that decides no.. That is no life for anyone, and doesn't feel it morally right to bring a person into the world like that?

I would give them the same choice - in cases of rape or the life of the mother. In all other cases, the potential of bringing life into the world was a known factor when the decision was made to have sex. One must live with the consequences of their actions. There are virtually no babies out there in the US that won't get adopted (older kids, sadly, yes, but not babies) - there are waiting lists. It's just plain murder to make any other decision than having the child. What then happens to that life is also regulated - we can't kill unwanted children after the cord is cut, we shouldn't be able to kill them before hand, either. It's just that simple. Just because a baby is tiny does not mean it's not a baby yet.

What gives ANYONE the right to force them to have that child?

Again, unless you're talking rape (which is the basis for my caveat that I'd accept abortion as an option for a rape victim), no one forced anyone to have sex, thus risking having a child.

[This_person]

Originally Posted by itsbob

that's what you believe, nobody's forcing you or your loved ones to have an abortion OR even use birth control

The law, as it is now, nobody is FORCED to have an abortion.

The way most people in here want it, is everyone is FORCED not to have one. Nobody will have a choice.

No one has a choice to murder their two day old, either. What's the difference?

Her body, her choice.

That's right, she had the choice to have sex. Just like getting HIV through it, or genital warts, or orgasmic pleasure and intimacy - these are all potential results of the sex, and they all must be accepted as a potential result. Killing the child they took the risk to create is murder, and that's not a reasonable response.

[This_person]

Originally Posted by Go G-Men

No. Bottom line it is none of your business... If you want to help just go pray with all the other fanatics for those who choose abortion so that they may change their ways...

Murder is my business whether it's a baby, or a child, or a teen, or a young adult, or adult, or senior citizen.

Here is a stat for ya... about 100% of those against abortion do nothing to help those that seek an abortion other than calling them murderers and trying to scare them into your belief system.

Absolutely not true. Many people against abortion adopt, run adoption agencies, teach abstinence and/or safe sex as alternatives, pay taxes to support those of lower income get by until they can get by on their own, etc. What you say here is patently false.

I remember when all a good Christian was supposed to do was pray for those sinners and now that has seemed to change to judging other sinners.... Guess God wasn't doing enough so you all decided to take matters into your own hands.

My judgement, as you word it, against abortion is based entirely on secular thoughts. Three times at least above you labeled my thoughts on it as religiously based. Please provide any quote from me that justifies that nonsense.

[This_person]

Originally Posted by Go G-Men

Maybe you should have abstained or "Stained" if you get the drift and then you would not have personally affected....

You're right in your own twisted way. However, I wasn't taught abstinence, I was taught "safe sex". See how well that worked out?