Planned Parenthood

[teenageddirtbag]

Originally Posted by This_person

I applaud you for breaking it down to the actual argument of abortion, but I'm curious why you have this stance. I asked Go-G earlier at what stage he thinks this life becomes a life, and he said second trimester (though the question as to "why then" went unanswered). At what stage do you think this life becomes a life, and not something comparable to a tumor?

I still say once the stick says you're pregnant, It's a baby. If a pregnancy at 2 weeks doesn't equal a baby, than what is it?

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

Originally Posted by tommyjones

so we got the virgin, and the man who was scorned in agreement about what the rest of us should do

Andy, when you grow up you will realize that people have sex more often than not, with the intention of NOT making a baby. If those people get pregnant and decide to have an abortion it is NONE of your business, it doens't affect your life in any way.....

More nothing from tommy.

It's amazing that you people crucify gay people, or even people you ASSume are gay, every single day yet you have no problem with abortion. Some gay dudes getting married doesn't affect you either, so why are you people offended by it?

It's obviously not for religious purposes.

[Xaquin44]

Originally Posted by This_person

None, I've been too busy raising the family I chose to have, taking care of my own responsibilities.

You and most everyone else .... most people are not lining up for an extra baby that isn't theirs. Adoption, (while wonderful in and of itself) is not the answer to abortion.

Originally Posted by This_person

You mean, like every natural death is investigated as a murder?

no .... this is a childs life we're talking about right? If abortions are suddenly outlawed a miscarriage should be investigated on grounds of murder right? I mean if it going to be called murder (as it already is by some (yourself included) it should be investigated right?

Originally Posted by This_person

Or, are you just trying to stir the pot with dishonest questions?

Dishonest how?

Originally Posted by This_person

Who have miscarriages, or abortions once they're illegal?

My guess would be almost the same number as have them now only much more discreetly and probably not as healthily.

Originally Posted by This_person

We've discussed the IVF quite a bit before. As I say, those fertilized eggs that do not become babies are more like miscarriages than abortions, or like when a doctor tries to save (make) a life and fails. That's not murder, that's unfortuante.

It is murder. Viable embryos are implanted and generally (I can't really remember) 33% die. Even if one lives and one dies it is one life dying. Or is it some different life that just doesn't count?

[This_person]

Originally Posted by sockgirl77

I 100% agree with you.

He told someone else earlier today he has me on ignore, so he couldn't have read where I explained my experience did not completely shape my views, but my logical thought process of right and wrong (comparing with other laws regarding the baby, and when that "clump of cells" is a life, etc). So, to paint me as "the man who was scorned" would be entirely inaccurate for the purposes of this discussion.

However, I agree people have sex with no intention of having children. That's not the point. The point is, should they take that risk, they must live with the consequences, not KILL the consequences.

[tommyjones]

Originally Posted by AndyMarquisLIVE

More nothing from tommy.

It's amazing that you people crucify gay people, or even people you ASSume are gay, every single day yet you have no problem with abortion. Some gay dudes getting married doesn't affect you either, so why are you people offended by it?

It's obviously not for religious purposes.

i've been over on the other thread defending gays too, so get your shiat straight.

and seriously, you have no dog in the fight, so just keep out. You have absolutely no understanding hwat a woman would go through, or what it takes to raise a child. when you grow up, or come out, come back for a conversation with the big boys.

[puggymom]

Originally Posted by This_person

Of course! That's the whole point of the discussion - respectful (from most of us) exchange of ideas.

Personally:
From my experience being pregnant I considered my babies alive from getting that first, well second, no definatly the third digital test, (sorry a little trying to conceive humor) positive test.

Legally:
I do not believe this should be defined AT ALL by our government. I believe this should be a medical decision between doctor and patient. And I honestly believe a healthy woman would be hard pressed to find a doctor that is willing to do a late term abortion on a healthy fetus.

[This_person]

Originally Posted by puggymom

If abortion is defined as murder do you honestly believe that some people wanting out will not try to induce a miscarriage?

Certainly some will. Some wanting out of parenthood now kill their kids (or attempt to) every week. Should THAT be legal? Should we remove THAT law, since people violate it anyway?

And if a fetus is given the same legal status as an already born human wouldn't they have a right to an investigation into their 'murder' intentional or not?

Certainly, if there is reason to suspect a murder, it should be investigated. The idea that EVERY miscarriage would be like a murder investigation, though, is pretty disingenuous. Certainly every case of SIDS is not immedidately investigated as a murder, nor is every car accident, geriatric death, etc., etc.

[Xaquin44]

Originally Posted by This_person

they must live with the consequences, not KILL the consequences.

at what cost?

If you didn't want a child to the point where you considered killing it is that the kind of experience you'd want a child to be born into?

barring the fact that it's not your body or your business ....

rule by example .... go out and grab a kid from an agency. They need you.

[Xaquin44]

Originally Posted by This_person

The idea that EVERY miscarriage would be like a murder investigation, though, is pretty disingenuous. Certainly every case of SIDS is not immedidately investigated as a murder, nor is every car accident, geriatric death, etc., etc.

good to see we're already setting the law to low standards, and abortions will go on unabated =)

Just more unsafe for the patients as they won't have actual doctors to aid them.

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

Originally Posted by tommyjones

and we are both parents and understand completely what is at stake......

what some woman decides to do with her pregnancy is her choice, the way it should be, control freaks and virgins need not be consulted.

Let's have some fun with this thread.

We're gonna play the tommyjones drinking game. Everytime he tries to insult me (because I'm somehow inferior for waiting to have sex instead of fukcing the first girl I see at the supermarket) by saying I'm a virgin or I'm gay and should have no opinion, everybody drink one down.

The code words to drink down are gay and virgin.

That should have me by the end of the night.