Planned Parenthood

[This_person]

Originally Posted by Xaquin44

natural?

I had no idea that in vitro was natural.

Care to give me a source?

face it. an embryo is an embryo. a life is a life. Intent shouldn't enter into it. Life should be (in theory) so precious (it is right?) that you shouldn't be willing to have 4 or so deaths just to get one you could adopt ....

Once it's in the momma, it's pretty natural.

Intent shouldn't enter into it? So, murder is not murder, just death? Regardless of why someone dies there should be no controls - just off the guy next to you that ticks you off? Your intent is not important? Come on, Xa!

Yes, people could choose to adopt instead, or they could choose to try and bear children due to the wonders of science. Choice. I'm pro that kind of choice.

[This_person]

Originally Posted by Xaquin44

well if the doctor created the symptom ....

Doctors don't create life. They utilize technology to assist people in creating life.

Or, if they put a bullet in a patients head, or suck out the brains, or destroy the entire body, they take life.

[Xaquin44]

Originally Posted by This_person

Once it's in the momma, it's pretty natural.

ho ho ho .... creating human life in a lab and inserting several babies into a womb (knowing full well many will die) is perfectly natural!

[This_person]

Originally Posted by Xaquin44

ho ho ho .... creating human life in a lab and inserting several babies into a womb (knowing full well many will die) is perfectly natural!

The inserting part? No, that's not natural. {But then, that's not "once it's in the momma", is it? } It's an attempt to help life exist. Yes, with the knowledge that not all of it is likely to survive. Just like performing brain surgery, or some other low success surgery, where the attempt is FOR life, not against it, even with the knowledge that some won't make it. Or, of performing CPR - most people who have CPR performed on them won't make it - does that mean that they were murdered by attempting to save their lives?

[Xaquin44]

Originally Posted by This_person

does that mean that they were murdered by attempting to save their lives?

why do you keep equating this to saving a life?

you're (the person doing the operation) creating the life .... you know many will die. You aren't saving any lives. Just killing several and possibly making 1.

[tommyjones]

Originally Posted by Xaquin44

why do you keep equating this to saving a life?

you're (the person doing the operation) creating the life .... you know many will die. You aren't saving any lives. Just killing several and possibly making 1.

exactly, its more like lining up 4 people on operating tables and rolling the dice to see which one you are going to try to save, knowing that even that has a minimal cahnce of survival. You KNOW 3 are going to die, and you HOPE that one will not.

[Xaquin44]

Originally Posted by tommyjones

exactly, its more like lining up 4 people on operating tables and rolling the dice to see which one you are going to try to save, knowing that even that has a minimal cahnce of survival. You KNOW 3 are going to die, and you HOPE that one will not.

and remember that you're the reason they're on the table dying in the first place.

[This_person]

Originally Posted by Xaquin44

why do you keep equating this to saving a life?

you're (the person doing the operation) creating the life .... you know many will die. You aren't saving any lives. Just killing several and possibly making 1.

I'm equating it because they're very, very similar. The intent of IVF is life, even though some won't make it. The intent of abortion is killing, with absolutely no regard to the likelihood of it making it without your intention action. The life that doesn't make it is sad and unfortunate, but there is no manual killing, it's just statistically not likely for 100% to go through the entire process. It's statistically likely for close to 100% of the babies sucked into a vaccuum tube to die at the hands of the doctor, the willing mother, and the people who pay for it all. One is in the hands of nature to allow life to exist, the other is in the hands of the people intentionally stopping a human from life.

[Xaquin44]

Originally Posted by This_person

I'm equating it because they're very, very similar. The intent of IVF is life, even though some won't make it. The intent of abortion is killing, with absolutely no regard to the likelihood of it making it without your intention action. The life that doesn't make it is sad and unfortunate, but there is no manual killing, it's just statistically not likely for 100% to go through the entire process. It's statistically likely for close to 100% of the babies sucked into a vaccuum tube to die at the hands of the doctor, the willing mother, and the people who pay for it all. One is in the hands of nature to allow life to exist, the other is in the hands of the people intentionally stopping a human from life.

intent doesn't matter. If you know 100% you're going to kill a few babies but your intent is making one baby, you are still knowingly killing babies.

[This_person]

Originally Posted by Xaquin44

intent doesn't matter. If you know 100% you're going to kill a few babies but your intent is making one baby, you are still knowingly killing babies.

That's like saying if you masturbate, you're knowingly killing potential babies.

It's just not the same thing as actually sucking a human into a vacuum and destroying the body. Trying to have a full term pregnancy and failing is not the same thing as destroying a human being.