31,000 Scientist Say No To Global Warming

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

Originally Posted by wildsage

Another good one is An Inconvenient Truth which, I suspect, most of the Al Gore beaters on this forum have never seen even though they hold strong opinions about its content.

I have seen it, and it's all

We get it, in the last 200-something years, the global temperature has risen a fraction of 1°.

[itsbob (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Baja28

Yea, all the water sensors around the globe show a drop in temp. but the looneys think we're melting....

Well DUH!! It's because it's like the tropics in the North Pole, all the ice is melting and cooling the ocean... just like the ice in your rum and coke!

I've done this experiment many times and KNOW it's true!!

[FromTexas]

Originally Posted by AndyMarquisLIVE

I have seen it, and it's all

We get it, in the last 200-something years, the global temperature has risen a fraction of 1°.

Did you look at the chart I posted? It is going to get so much hotter than that. We are at one of the coolest points in all those cycles. Damn man - ruining the all those ancient periods millions and millions of years ago.

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by wildsage

"The Earth's temperature for the first six months of the year was the second-warmest ever recorded, government scientists reported today."

...who should die first? If made made carbon based fuel emissions are the cause and the cure, reducing them, then the only way to do that is to kill human beings, to impose our will.

We can put our own economy into turmoil by eliminating carbon emissions and, perhaps, we'll survive it. In the mean time, when the biggest consumer no longer uses them, carbon based fuels will become incredibly cheap and easy to get and use and every other economy on the planet will use them. They'll use them because they won't likely choose to just allow their nations and people to suffer the titanic consequences of the massive reductions that reducing CO2 levels will take. They won't allow the mass starvation and freezing and collapse of their economies. They won't because they have no prospects of surviving that kind of shock.

Unless we force them to stop. That means war.

So, who first? We could dramatically reduce CO2 emissions tomorrow if we just whack 1.3 some odd billion Chinese. That might do the trick right there. If not, who else? And, when that does nothing for global warming, how do we apologize?

And what about the warming on Mars? Maybe we should wipe out India to to save the heating on Mars which, using the same logic, must also be cause by us and not variations on and within the largest heat source in the galaxy.

Let the planet saving begin!

[The Oyster Guy]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

...who should die first? If made made carbon based fuel emissions are the cause and the cure, reducing them, then the only way to do that is to kill human beings, to impose our will.

We can put our own economy into turmoil by eliminating carbon emissions and, perhaps, we'll survive it. In the mean time, when the biggest consumer no longer uses them, carbon based fuels will become incredibly cheap and easy to get and use and every other economy on the planet will use them. They'll use them because they won't likely choose to just allow their nations and people to suffer the titanic consequences of the massive reductions that reducing CO2 levels will take. They won't allow the mass starvation and freezing and collapse of their economies. They won't because they have no prospects of surviving that kind of shock.

Unless we force them to stop. That means war.

So, who first? We could dramatically reduce CO2 emissions tomorrow if we just whack 1.3 some odd billion Chinese. That might do the trick right there. If not, who else? And, when that does nothing for global warming, how do we apologize?

And what about the warming on Mars? Maybe we should wipe out India to to save the heating on Mars which, using the same logic, must also be cause by us and not variations on and within the largest heat source in the galaxy.

Let the planet saving begin!

Oh puhleez... I didn't see anyone in this thread propose exterminating billions of Chinese and Indians.

But, congratulations on erecting the biggest straw man in web history! Quite an accomplishment there!

[PsyOps]

Originally Posted by cwo_ghwebb

Does that mean AlBore has to give his Nobel Prize back?



Figure the odds.

The Nobel is a joke. Carter got his for brokering peace where there is no peace. Gore gets one for something that 1) turns out isn't happening and 2) didn't result in peace.

[wildsage]

Originally Posted by blazinlow89

... (which by the way it seems when we had a mild hurricane season last year global warming was causing it be mild, so which is it more mild disasters, or more severe). It’s bad when the scientist trying to make a statement about how bad it will be can’t even come to some consensus on the models when they all should be using the same data...Another thing is that it is very easy to manipulate data, which it seems the global warming nazis manipulate the data quite often to put a model into their favor.

So, the people in it for the science can't be trusted to make sense out of it because so complicated, but the fossil-fuel greedheads wouldn't steer you wrong. (BTW, this "nazis" thing -- do you really associate some Poindexter who has bad hair & a pocket-protector with Nazi, over a sneering Dick like Cheney? Do you run over puppies & cuddle snakes?)

Originally Posted by blazinlow89

Where you here 1000 years ago to know that the glaciers and ice caps may not have existed.

Where? What?
So, if you think that the ice caps & glaciers aren't 1,000 years, how old do you think the earth is? Just curious.

Originally Posted by blazinlow89

You also might want to find a graph showing the correlation between CO2 and average temperature, how is it that the temperature raises before the CO2 level does. If CO2 is the main culprit then how does the temperature change without the level of CO2 in the atmosphere doing so first?

Look, I'm not going to tutor you in climatology or earth science. Short answer: there are other global warming factors than carbon dioxide, for example methane & water vapor both have more greenhouse effect; one suggestion might be that as the planet warms, more carbon dioxide is released from the land, oceans & biota BECAUSE THE PLANET WARMS UP. That's why the consensus says that it is a problem: these effects multiply each other.

Originally Posted by blazinlow89

However a catch 22 is if we stop using fossil fuels we put millions of people out of work, we will put our sole basis of energy on things that are far more expensive, not as efficient, and if we start using new forms that have not been tested long enough we could have a $50 billion fusion generator that doesn’t work properly.

See, there's the hysteria and it didn't come from the save-the-planet side, it came from your buddies in Bush country. And cost? Every fuel-related thread on this forum other than this one moans about how expensive gas (oil) is.

Originally Posted by blazinlow89

Look at time magazine covers from the last century, they switch from global warming to the next ice age in what appears to be every 15-30 years.

Not that TIME is a great source either, but can you show me the covers to which you refer?

Originally Posted by blazinlow89

Also wiki is not a 100% reliable source neither is mainstream media so you might want to find some new links. On a side note I will be looking forward to the mild summers for the next 12 years or more.

Wiki has admitted problems, but if you read it they include a disclaimer when the article is disputed. Read a little closer and you will see that the claims made in Wiki-articles are referenced, even the counter-claims, so someone doing research can go look for themselves. That's what those footnote thingies are for. (I guess only Wiki-morons don't know that.) I use Wiki because it is a clearinghouse of information; anyone interested can dig deeper given the references in Wiki; the truly accomplished can type their own Google searches -- just be sure that you rank the other sources with as much skepticism as you do the ideas that you pre-disagree with. (BTW, I did include other links but I ain't digging them up for you.)
I was on the Gulf Coast 3 summers ago (and many before that). I predict that you will not experience 12 mild summers in the next dozen years.

I'll get to the rest of you later.

[Baja28]

Originally Posted by wildsage

So,

BRB, I'm gonna go change all the wiki articles........

Oh, and I'm gonna read an Al Bore book.....

Damn it's hot in here.

[AK-74me]

Originally Posted by wildsage

Not that TIME is a great source either, but can you show me the covers to which you refer?

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Not time but here is a Newsweek scan that I saved a while back.

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g5...coolingre4.jpg

[Baja28]

Originally Posted by AK-74me

Not time but here is a Newsweek scan that I saved a while back.

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g5...coolingre4.jpg

But but but....that (just like the global temperature probes) shows the earth has been cooling since 1940!!! Al is not going to be happy.