31,000 Scientist Say No To Global Warming

[wildsage]

Originally Posted by This_person

Seems there is just a cyclic temperature on the planet. Imagine that.

You came in late. Read the posts: No one disputed the cyclic nature of global temperatures.

[wildsage]

Originally Posted by This_person

Why, you'd think it'd been going on a long time.......

I'm surprised that you didn't cover the whole 6,000 years, T_p.

[This_person]

Originally Posted by wildsage

You came in late. Read the posts: No one disputed the cyclic nature of global temperatures.

That's good. It looked like people might actually believe in the hoax of global warming.

Larry had it right in another thread a while ago. Use up all the oil now! Government subsidies, whatever we have to do. The quicker we use it up, the quicker we'll be forced into building an infrastructure for something that makes more sense. Until we use up all of the oil, we'll keep using oil.

But, do realize, if all of the cars in the US stopped right now, and never drove again, the total effect on greenhouse gas emission into the atmosphere would be less than 1%.

I'll keep my Suburban, TYVM

[This_person]

Originally Posted by wildsage

I'm surprised that you didn't cover the whole 6,000 years, T_p.

I'm not a young eather. (the chart goes back 400,000 years)

[AK-74me]

Originally Posted by This_person

That's good. It looked like people might actually believe in the hoax of global warming.

Larry had it right in another thread a while ago. Use up all the oil now! Government subsidies, whatever we have to do. The quicker we use it up, the quicker we'll be forced into building an infrastructure for something that makes more sense. Until we use up all of the oil, we'll keep using oil.

But, do realize, if all of the cars in the US stopped right now, and never drove again, the total effect on greenhouse gas emission into the atmosphere would be less than 1%.

I'll keep my Suburban, TYVM

Right, the answer is to quit our dependence on red meat, once we do that the demand for cows will go down thus creating less bovine flatulence to be released into the atmosphere.

[The Oyster Guy]

Originally Posted by This_person

But, do realize, if all of the cars in the US stopped right now, and never drove again, the total effect on greenhouse gas emission into the atmosphere would be less than 1%.

Your reference for that claim? Because our Government says that 7% of global CO2 emissions due to fossil fuels are attributed to U.S. transportation. The link below shows that transportation produces 34% of US CO2, while US CO2 is 21% of the world CO2; therefore 34% of 21% is 7% of world CO2 results from US transportation.

EIA’s Energy in Brief: What are greenhouse gases and how much are emitted by the United States?

[wildsage]

Originally Posted by This_person

Why, you'd think it'd been going on a long time.......

Funny source you chose. This guy uses outdated data (1920s, 1950s) and quotes such "owned" sources as Patrick Michaels. His qualifications are not made clear on his webpage (he is a former engineer for the WV Office of Miner's Safety, oh and an amateur fossil-hunter) but he believes that the Milankovich cycles have the greatest input on global temps. He is entitled to his opinion but he is in a distinct minority and hardly has the professional standing to go against the experts.
Oh, and his ice-core charts? Don't know how he got his results...
BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Deep ice tells long climate story
"Carbon dioxide levels are substantially higher now than at any time in the last 800,000 years, the latest study of ice drilled out of Antarctica confirms.
The in-depth analysis of air bubbles trapped in a 3.2km-long core of frozen snow shows current greenhouse gas concentrations are unprecedented."
And here's another non-Wiki source for you
Data @ NASA GISS: GISS Surface Temperature Analysis: 2007 Summation
"The year 2007 tied for second warmest in the period of instrumental data, behind the record warmth of 2005, in the Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) analysis. 2007 tied 1998, which had leapt a remarkable 0.2°C above the prior record with the help of the "El Niño of the century". The unusual warmth in 2007 is noteworthy because it occurs at a time when solar irradiance is at a minimum and the equatorial Pacific Ocean is in the cool phase of its natural El Niño-La Niña cycle."

[wildsage]

Originally Posted by jazz lady

By the oil companies, no less.

Check the source, you might be surprised.

[This_person]

Originally Posted by The Oyster Guy

Your reference for that claim? Because our Government says that 7% of global CO2 emissions due to fossil fuels are attributed to U.S. transportation. The link below shows that transportation produces 34% of US CO2, while US CO2 is 21% of the world CO2; therefore 34% of 21% is 7% of world CO2 results from US transportation.

EIA’s Energy in Brief: What are greenhouse gases and how much are emitted by the United States?

CO2 emissions are not the only greenhouse gases. Read more here

[This_person]

Originally Posted by wildsage

Funny source you chose. This guy uses outdated data (1920s, 1950s) and quotes such "owned" sources as Patrick Michaels. His qualifications are not made clear on his webpage (he is a former engineer for the WV Office of Miner's Safety, oh and an amateur fossil-hunter) but he believes that the Milankovich cycles have the greatest input on global temps. He is entitled to his opinion but he is in a distinct minority and hardly has the professional standing to go against the experts.
Oh, and his ice-core charts? Don't know how he got his results...
BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Deep ice tells long climate story
"Carbon dioxide levels are substantially higher now than at any time in the last 800,000 years, the latest study of ice drilled out of Antarctica confirms.
The in-depth analysis of air bubbles trapped in a 3.2km-long core of frozen snow shows current greenhouse gas concentrations are unprecedented."
And here's another non-Wiki source for you
Data @ NASA GISS: GISS Surface Temperature Analysis: 2007 Summation
"The year 2007 tied for second warmest in the period of instrumental data, behind the record warmth of 2005, in the Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) analysis. 2007 tied 1998, which had leapt a remarkable 0.2°C above the prior record with the help of the "El Niño of the century". The unusual warmth in 2007 is noteworthy because it occurs at a time when solar irradiance is at a minimum and the equatorial Pacific Ocean is in the cool phase of its natural El Niño-La Niña cycle."

In what way do those sources conflict? Can you show me a source with data that shows a rise in CO2 levels causing a change in temperature (ie, the levels change, and then the temperature changes)?