31,000 Scientist Say No To Global Warming

[The Oyster Guy]

Mindless drivel is somebody making 10,143 posts...

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

Originally Posted by The Oyster Guy

Mindless drivel is somebody making 10,143 posts...

You can read the post count. I'm impressed, you're moving up.

[This_person]

Originally Posted by The Oyster Guy

I'll repeat myself... please provide a reference for your claim, or retract it. I suspect it's much like alot of the other poop I've seen written in this thread: merely hearsay offered as evidence.

I'm sorry, I forgot to answer you.

Per the DOE, transportation in the US was 1884.7 Million metric tons of CO2, out of 7075.6 MMT of man-made gases. That’s about 26.6% of the US greenhouse gas emissions being from transportation.

Now, according to Wiki (I don’t like it as a source either, but it works for rough numbers), 81% of transportation is highway transportation (cars, trucks, et al). So, 81% of 26.6% is 21.6% of the US greenhouse manmade gases being from highway transportation.

Also, according to Wiki the US makes up about 20.2% of the world’s manmade greenhouse gases. So, 20.2% of 21.6% is about 4.4%. 4.4% of the world’s manmade greenhouse gases from US highway transportation.

Now, this site says that total manmade gases account for about 5.5% of the total greenhouse gases that are in the environment (certainly there were these gases before man made increases, right?).

So, 5.5% of the 4.4% is about 0.25% of the total greenhouse gases coming from US highway transportation.

Feel better, snookums?

[wildsage]

Originally Posted by This_person

Now, this site says that total manmade gases account for about 5.5% of the total greenhouse gases that are in the environment (certainly there were these gases before man made increases, right?).
...Feel better, snookums?

You really don't look at your own sources, do you? Your "this site" link (again, by amateur fossil-hunter Monte Heib) has as a reference for its "findings" the Ecoenquirer which on its website posts this disclaimer:
"All content on this site, being a mixture of parody, satire, and lame humor, is for entertainment purposes only. If any content is found to be offensive or objectionable in any way, please accept our apologies... but we also suggest that you get a life."
BTW, It is not valid to state that a certain gas causes a certain percentage of the greenhouse effect because the influences of the various gases are not additive.

[wildsage]

Originally Posted by PsyOps

You're actually denying solar activity can cause the globe to warm?

Nope, just not in the way that you are misusing the data:
The amount that solar irradiance affects global temperature is about half of the previous estimates, and is small compared to the effect of greenhouse gases.
The Milankovitch cycles help explain ice-ages and long-term changes in the climate, but do not have much impact on the decade/century timescale. For the prediction of climate change in the 21st century, these impacts are far less important than radiative forcing from greenhouse gases.

Originally Posted by PsyOps

Explain mars' warming.

Nope, not interested, having a hard enough time explaining Earth science to you.

Originally Posted by PsyOps

I suppose you're going to deny that an object like the moon - being as far as it is from earth - has any effect on our ocean tides.

I suppose you are going to deny that cruising the playgrounds scoping out little children is sick.

[This_person]

Originally Posted by wildsage

You really don't look at your own sources, do you? Your "this site" link (again, by amateur fossil-hunter Monte Heib) has as a reference for its "findings" the Ecoenquirer which on its website posts this disclaimer:
"All content on this site, being a mixture of parody, satire, and lame humor, is for entertainment purposes only. If any content is found to be offensive or objectionable in any way, please accept our apologies... but we also suggest that you get a life."

Okay, ignore it.

Makes it about 4% instead of less than one percent. If all cars in the US just plain stopped, not went from 25 to 30 mpg. Big whoop if that's what happens, don't you think.

(see, I can concede when I'm wrong. But, I have to be wrong to do it, like I was here)

BTW, It is not valid to state that a certain gas causes a certain percentage of the greenhouse effect because the influences of the various gases are not additive.

The claim I was defending was that if all cars in the US were shut off and never started again, if we all just walked everywhere and never started another car in the US, that the amount of greenhouse gas production would be reduced by less than 1%. Clearly, I was wrong. It's about 4%.

[wildsage]

Originally Posted by Nucklesack

How about who's the big players in Carbon Offsets?

Who are the big players? I really didn't know it was such a racket.

Originally Posted by Nucklesack

do you think maybe they have a vested interest to keep the Hysteria running?

I consider the "hysteria" the oil-fed response of "FREEZING IN THE DARK, CRASHING ECONOMY" to the initial suggestion to conserve energy, reduce waste, cut emissions.

Originally Posted by Nucklesack

Its not necessarily ignoring data, its who's/which/what data do you believe in? There is as much data against ManMade Global Warming as there is for it.

No, there is not. That's what they want you to believe but 20 solid years of that excuse forced closer looks by more specialists and has resulted in firm conclusions from refined data that says global warming is happening and man-made effects contribute to it.

Originally Posted by Nucklesack

How do you explain ManMade Global Warming occuring in other planets in the Solar System?

I don't believe that there is any such thing, never heard of it. Rush Limbaugh or WorldNetDaily?

[wildsage]

Originally Posted by RadioPatrol

hell the climatologists have put off GW for the next 10 yrs, that we are now in a cooling cycle ....

What climatologists say that and do they have any proof or is it just a wish/feeling?

[blazinlow89]

Originally Posted by wildsage

What climatologists say that and do they have any proof or is it just a wish/feeling?

Power Line: Global Cooling Alert

Global cooling? - Forecast Earth

Br-r-r! Where did global warming go? - The Boston Globe

Canadian Scientists Fear Global Cooling | NewsBusters.org

DailyTech - Temperature Monitors Report Widescale Global Cooling

Year of global cooling#-#-#Breaking News, Political News & National Security News - The Washington Times

BMI Special Report -- Global Warming Censored

If i remember correctly you said in an earlier post that 2007 was one of the hottest years on record, yet from what i have been seeing worldwide average it was one of the coolest.

Im going to pull a couple excerpts from the last link.

• Can I See Some ID?: Scientists made up only 15 percent of the global warming proponents shown. The remaining 85 percent included politicians, celebrities, other journalists and even ordinary men and women. There were more unidentified interview subjects used to support climate change hype than actual scientists (101 unidentified to just 71 scientists)

Global warming crusader Al Gore repeatedly claims the climate change “debate’s over.” It isn’t, but the news media clearly agree with him. Global warming skeptics rarely get any say on the networks, and when their opinions are mentioned it is often with barbs like “cynics” or “deniers” thrown in to undermine them

Now i know this is media based info, however it seems that they want you to recognize someone so you will be on the global warming bandwagon. It also seems they dont want you to hear from the skeptics, cause the info they have doesnt go with the "consensus".

Also i though antarctica was melting than why in the hell has it been getting colder for the last 35 years.

On another post i made earlier bout gore not using his money to pay for alternative energy. He gets money donated to his foundation, its easy to say you donate money, when its money you had someone else donate you.

Oh yeah forgot to add this.

Global Cooling: Amazing pictures of countries joining Britain in the big freeze | Mail Online

If its getting hotter than why are places that havent seen snow in decades all of a sudden getting it. Oh yeah global warming causes global cooling, its called natural cycles. Its easy to blame every strange weather pattern on global warming.

[wildsage]

[quote=blazinlow89;2957535]
Global cooling? - Forecast Earth
"Yep, global cooling is here! We no longer have to worry about global warming, but maybe we should be concerned about a coming ice age!
That's what one might think based on all the hoopla on this topic recently, such as here and here and here and here and here and so on and so on.
Aside from the global cooling frenzy, passions have also been running high as scientists try to analyze what would constitute a true deviation from the climate change consensus.
Whew! (At least hopefully the alleged 1970s global cooling scientific consensus has been debunked once and for all, although old myths die hard.)
My goal has always been to understand what's going on by looking at things objectively, and if at some point it becomes apparent that the long-term warming trend is truly reversing (and not just in winter) and the kinds of atmospheric patterns that have become a signature in recent years in association with the warming have disappeared, then that's what I'll say in a blog. But not in this one. I call 'em as I see 'em, and I still see the warming signals present -- in droves. [my emphasis of your source] I'm looking at things from the perspective of being an operational meteorologist, not a statistician or climate modeler."

Br-r-r! Where did global warming go? - The Boston Globe
A commentary (editorial), not news.

DailyTech - Temperature Monitors Report Widescale Global Cooling
A website that actually does a poor job of showing sources (links are to previous blog entries) plus the data is old and a "snapshot" of a long-term trend.

Year of global cooling#-#-#Breaking News, Political News & National Security News - The Washington Times
A commentary (editorial), not news.

BMI Special Report -- Global Warming Censored
Yeah, right. Sometimes the news ignores crackpots & BS, but they also like controversy. Go Nexis Pat Michaels or Fred Singer, you'll find plenty of ink from them.

Originally Posted by blazinlow89

If i remember correctly you said in an earlier post that 2007 was one of the hottest years on record, yet from what i have been seeing worldwide average it was one of the coolest.

I have repeatedly posted findings from several sources that say otherwise:
Data @ NASA GISS: GISS Surface Temperature Analysis: 2007 Summation
"The year 2007 tied for second warmest in the period of instrumental data, behind the record warmth of 2005, in the Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) analysis. 2007 tied 1998, which had leapt a remarkable 0.2°C above the prior record with the help of the "El Niño of the century". The unusual warmth in 2007 is noteworthy because it occurs at a time when solar irradiance is at a minimum and the equatorial Pacific Ocean is in the cool phase of its natural El Niño-La Niña cycle."
From one of your links: "2007's global temperature was essentially the same as that in 2006 - and 2005, and 2004, and every year back to 2001." Maybe that's because those have been the hottest years?
Im going to pull a couple excerpts from the last link.

Originally Posted by blazinlow89

Now i know this is media based info, however it seems that they want you to recognize someone so you will be on the global warming bandwagon. It also seems they dont want you to hear from the skeptics, cause the info they have doesnt go with the "consensus".

I'm not a bandwagon guy, I'm a science guy. If I see something on the news (or a forum or weblog) I'll google for sources and go check it out myself. (This is on top of the college studies in the earth sciences that I have done.)

Originally Posted by blazinlow89

On another post i made earlier bout gore not using his money to pay for alternative energy. He gets money donated to his foundation, its easy to say you donate money, when its money you had someone else donate you.

Al Gore has income from whatever sources. He chooses how to pay his bills and he chooses to spend extra for electricity from renewable resources.

Originally Posted by blazinlow89

Oh yeah forgot to add this.
Global Cooling: Amazing pictures of countries joining Britain in the big freeze | Mail Online
If its getting hotter than why are places that havent seen snow in decades all of a sudden getting it. Oh yeah global warming causes global cooling, its called natural cycles. Its easy to blame every strange weather pattern on global warming.

From your link: "The truth is that it is still much too early to draw any long-term conclusions from 2008's great freeze."
It has been explained several times: localized and short term weather events do not disprove global warming; those phenomena and the increasing prevalence of stronger storms have been predicted (and supported by science) as results of global warming.