31,000 Scientist Say No To Global Warming

[AK-74me]

Beneficial Natural Warming-31,000 Scientists | Uncommon Descent

[cwo_ghwebb]

Originally Posted by AK-74me

Beneficial Natural Warming-31,000 Scientists | Uncommon Descent

Does that mean AlBore has to give his Nobel Prize back?



Figure the odds.

[wildsage]

Originally Posted by AK-74me

Beneficial Natural Warming-31,000 Scientists | Uncommon Descent

Maybe they meant "Scienticians." This name gathering has been going on for 10 years and has a lot of questionable aspects.

Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine - SourceWatch
The Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine (OISM) is headed by Arthur B. Robinson, an eccentric scientist who has a long history of controversial entanglements with figures on the fringe of accepted research. OISM also markets a home-schooling kit for "parents concerned about socialism in the public schools" and publishes books on how to survive nuclear war.
The OISM would be equally obscure itself, except for the role it played in 1998 in circulating a deceptive "scientists' petition" on global warming in collaboration with Frederick Seitz, a retired former president of the National Academy of Sciences.
Case Study: The Oregon Petition
The Oregon Petition, sponsored by the OISM, was circulated in April 1998 in a bulk mailing to tens of thousands of U.S. scientists.
None of the coauthors of "Environmental Effects of Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide" had any more standing than Robinson himself as a climate change researcher. They included Robinson's 22-year-old son, Zachary, along with astrophysicists Sallie L. Baliunas and Willie Soon.
In addition to the bulk mailing, OISM's website enables people to add their names to the petition over the Internet [update: now you click for a mail-in form], and by June 2000 it claimed to have recruited more than 19,000 scientists. The institute is so lax about screening names, however, that virtually anyone can sign, including for example Al Caruba, a pesticide-industry PR man and conservative ideologue who runs his own website called the "National Anxiety Center."
The names of the signers are available on the OISM's website, but without listing any institutional affiliations or even city of residence, making it very difficult to determine their credentials or even whether they exist at all... Even in 2003, the list was loaded with misspellings, duplications, name and title fragments, and names of non-persons, such as company names.
OISM has refused to release info on the number of mailings it made. From comments in Nature: "Virtually every scientist in every field got it," says Robert Park, a professor of physics at the University of Maryland at College Park and spokesman for the American Physical Society. "That's a big mailing." According to the National Science Foundation, there are more than half a million science or engineering PhDs in the United States, and ten million individuals with first degrees in science or engineering.
Arthur Robinson, president of the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine, the small, privately funded institute that circulated the petition, declines to say how many copies were sent out. "We're not willing to have our opponents attack us with that number, and say that the rest of the recipients are against us," he says, adding that the response was "outstanding" for a direct mail shot.

Oregon Petition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Updated campaign
In October 2007 a number of individuals reported receiving a petition closely similar to the Oregon Petition... Below the text is a signature line, a set of tick boxes for the signatory to state their academic degree (B.S., M.S., Ph.D.) and field, and another tick box stating "Please send more petition cards for me to distribute." This renewed distribution has continued until at least February, 2008.

[AK-74me]

Originally Posted by wildsage

Maybe they meant "Scienticians." This name gathering has been going on for 10 years and has a lot of questionable aspects.

Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine - SourceWatch
The Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine (OISM) is headed by Arthur B. Robinson, an eccentric scientist who has a long history of controversial entanglements with figures on the fringe of accepted research. OISM also markets a home-schooling kit for "parents concerned about socialism in the public schools" and publishes books on how to survive nuclear war.
The OISM would be equally obscure itself, except for the role it played in 1998 in circulating a deceptive "scientists' petition" on global warming in collaboration with Frederick Seitz, a retired former president of the National Academy of Sciences.
Case Study: The Oregon Petition
The Oregon Petition, sponsored by the OISM, was circulated in April 1998 in a bulk mailing to tens of thousands of U.S. scientists.
None of the coauthors of "Environmental Effects of Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide" had any more standing than Robinson himself as a climate change researcher. They included Robinson's 22-year-old son, Zachary, along with astrophysicists Sallie L. Baliunas and Willie Soon.
In addition to the bulk mailing, OISM's website enables people to add their names to the petition over the Internet [update: now you click for a mail-in form], and by June 2000 it claimed to have recruited more than 19,000 scientists. The institute is so lax about screening names, however, that virtually anyone can sign, including for example Al Caruba, a pesticide-industry PR man and conservative ideologue who runs his own website called the "National Anxiety Center."
The names of the signers are available on the OISM's website, but without listing any institutional affiliations or even city of residence, making it very difficult to determine their credentials or even whether they exist at all... Even in 2003, the list was loaded with misspellings, duplications, name and title fragments, and names of non-persons, such as company names.
OISM has refused to release info on the number of mailings it made. From comments in Nature: "Virtually every scientist in every field got it," says Robert Park, a professor of physics at the University of Maryland at College Park and spokesman for the American Physical Society. "That's a big mailing." According to the National Science Foundation, there are more than half a million science or engineering PhDs in the United States, and ten million individuals with first degrees in science or engineering.
Arthur Robinson, president of the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine, the small, privately funded institute that circulated the petition, declines to say how many copies were sent out. "We're not willing to have our opponents attack us with that number, and say that the rest of the recipients are against us," he says, adding that the response was "outstanding" for a direct mail shot.

Oregon Petition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Updated campaign
In October 2007 a number of individuals reported receiving a petition closely similar to the Oregon Petition... Below the text is a signature line, a set of tick boxes for the signatory to state their academic degree (B.S., M.S., Ph.D.) and field, and another tick box stating "Please send more petition cards for me to distribute." This renewed distribution has continued until at least February, 2008.

Right, and the man made "global warming" hysteria has none and should just be excepted as fact I guess?

[wildsage]

Originally Posted by AK-74me

Right, and the man made "global warming" hysteria has none and should just be accepted [fixed] as fact I guess?

The hypothesis of man-made global warming has been peer-reviewed by people who study it and the conclusion is overwhelmingly supported. There are a few climate-scientists who disagree with it and the most vocal ones are paid by the fossil-fuel & growth-at-all-costs industries. Do you suppose the first group is somehow paid-off by the endangered species? By the planet itself? Who is getting paid more to shill for which side?
Bottom line: this crackpot at the OISM published & mass-mailed a petition. He claimed that the info was peer-reviewed (it wasn't), made it to look like an official NAS release (it wasn't) and hasn't verified the validity (names OR professional background) of the signatories. He claims a list with 31,000 purported degree-holders who said they disagree with the Global Warming theory. He may as well have asked you "do you disagree" and then claimed that your opinion carried the same weight as someone on the IPCC.
The Answers in Genesis website lists about 200 people holding degrees who believe that the planet was created 6,000 years ago. In the face of that, do we throw out the "notion" that the earth is 4.5 billion years old?

[AK-74me]

Originally Posted by wildsage

The hypothesis of man-made global warming has been peer-reviewed by people who study it and the conclusion is overwhelmingly supported. There are a few climate-scientists who disagree with it and the most vocal ones are paid by the fossil-fuel & growth-at-all-costs industries. Do you suppose the first group is somehow paid-off by the endangered species? By the planet itself? Who is getting paid more to shill for which side?
Bottom line: this crackpot at the OISM published & mass-mailed a petition. He claimed that the info was peer-reviewed (it wasn't), made it to look like an official NAS release (it wasn't) and hasn't verified the validity (names OR professional background) of the signatories. He claims a list with 31,000 purported degree-holders who said they disagree with the Global Warming theory. He may as well have asked you "do you disagree" and then claimed that your opinion carried the same weight as someone on the IPCC.
The Answers in Genesis website lists about 200 people holding degrees who believe that the planet was created 6,000 years ago. In the face of that, do we throw out the "notion" that the earth is 4.5 billion years old?

Sorry about my typing error I was distracted when I was writing that.

You are going to have fun here on this board if you are person that is sold on the hysteria of man made global warming.

DailyTech - Researchers: Global Warming Halts Until 2020

FOXNews.com - Scientist: Forget Global Warming, Prepare for New Ice Age - Science News | Science & Technology | Technology News

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All American Blogger » 10 Reasons to Doubt Global Warming is Man-Made (Part 1)

The Mystery of Global Warming's Missing Heat : NPR

Fact is that the climate will always be changing and that the "global warmist" are much like a cult. I guess the china syndrome was a legitimate fear too?

Show me some proof of man made global warming. The GLOBE was actually cooler last year than it has been in sometime!??

[johnycarcinogen]

The Earth has warmed and cooled for billions of years. We are in a generally cool period, it will get warmer, then cool again. 15 million years ago it was so warm here that the ocean stretched to Washington D.C. (polar ice melted away). Other times we would have hundreds of feet of beach (probably marsh/grass areas) beyond the current coastline. It just happens, it is a cycle.

[otter (Premo)]

Originally Posted by wildsage

The hypothesis of man-made global warming has been peer-reviewed by people who study it and the conclusion is overwhelmingly supported. There are a few climate-scientists who disagree with it and the most vocal ones are paid by the fossil-fuel & growth-at-all-costs industries. Do you suppose the first group is somehow paid-off by the endangered species? By the planet itself? Who is getting paid more to shill for which side?
Bottom line: this crackpot at the OISM published & mass-mailed a petition. He claimed that the info was peer-reviewed (it wasn't), made it to look like an official NAS release (it wasn't) and hasn't verified the validity (names OR professional background) of the signatories. He claims a list with 31,000 purported degree-holders who said they disagree with the Global Warming theory. He may as well have asked you "do you disagree" and then claimed that your opinion carried the same weight as someone on the IPCC.
The Answers in Genesis website lists about 200 people holding degrees who believe that the planet was created 6,000 years ago. In the face of that, do we throw out the "notion" that the earth is 4.5 billion years old?

And cuz you say its so, all this is true?? How bout some legitimate links other than your word..Thanks.

[daileyck1]

From the intelligent design weblog.

Yea right that is a graet source.

[wildsage]

Originally Posted by otter

And cuz you say its so, all this is true?? How bout some legitimate links other than your word..Thanks.

See 3rd post in this thread for OISM debunk links.
For consensus statements on the anthropogenic greenhouse effect (not all of them in agreement) see Scientific opinion on climate change - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
For an explanation of the dispute see Global warming controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A report on "who pays the skeptics" (and why) ABC News: ABC News Reporting Cited As Evidence In Congressional Hearing On Global Warming
Also, Wiki has a comprehensive list of global warming skeptics -- List of scientists opposing the mainstream scientific assessment of global warming - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia One of the best known is Dr. Patrick Michaels; read Sourcewatch's entry on him at Patrick J. Michaels - SourceWatch
If you don't know the science behind the findings and don't have a PhD, a good primer on the subject is Climate Change Science: An Analysis of Some Key Questions
Another good one is An Inconvenient Truth which, I suspect, most of the Al Gore beaters on this forum have never seen even though they hold strong opinions about its content.
You are welcome.