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Old 06-07-2008, 04:18 PM   #21 (permalink)
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We probably agree more than you realize. I am not saying they are to blame for hoodlums raiding the store. If the thugs were stealing money or milk I could care less. Guns are another animal alltogether. Here is what I know, after several burglaries they were advised on how to secure there stuff. They did not want to be told how to do business. Do they bare some responsibility for this stuff being so easily accessible? I think they do. That is all I was saying.n That my friend is being reasonable.
I have to agree. Look at "D's" in Callaway; most of his handguns are in a gunsafe, and he and the help carry. How many times has he been robbed? Not once, so far anyway.
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Old 06-07-2008, 04:26 PM   #22 (permalink)
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We probably agree more than you realize. I am not saying they are to blame for hoodlums raiding the store. If the thugs were stealing money or milk I could care less. Guns are another animal alltogether. Here is what I know, after several burglaries they were advised on how to secure there stuff. They did not want to be told how to do business. Do they bare some responsibility for this stuff being so easily accessible? I think they do. That is all I was saying.n That my friend is being reasonable.

As a business owner of a store selling guns I don't know why one wouldn't want to have tight security, it is just a bad business decision IMO. I do think they are idiots for not doing something by now, however I do not hope they get sued like you suggested eariler.
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Old 06-07-2008, 11:53 PM   #23 (permalink)
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You're right about that. I remember CVS and Popeyes and a couple other places started closing very early like 7pm or right before dark or something after all the robberies that happened right after the Tackle Box was robbed and right before the guy was robbed and killed in St Mary's Landing Apts.

I was in the Popeyes one night and it was almost 7pm and they had begun locking the doors and only letting people out. It was a really "different" feeling altogether. One I do not want to see repeated.

I think the owners of the Tackle Box should be held liable for these crimes after this many incidents. I don't THINK they are trying to aide in these crimes but they really are by having a lock-pick establishment.


I work with someone who was on the grand jury for the indictment for Mr. Young. We just talked about this last week for the first time since while you serve you cannot divulge any info.

This person indicated to me that our State's Attorney Mr. Fritz recommended to The Tackle Box to have a video surveilance system installed and the owner refused. That is unbelievable to me since anyone that would steal a gun is either going to sell it for drugs or use it themselves. Either way the gun will end up in the grubby paw of an unsavory individual who is up to no good.

I can't beleive anyone would insure his loss due to theft these days without video security.
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Old 06-08-2008, 09:14 AM   #24 (permalink)
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I "think" last time one of the handguns was used in that killing off Chancellors Run Road.. Don't remember the guys name that did it but didn't they catch a couple of his buddies and they sold him out?
To answer your question, Convicted Killer Sentenced To Life In Prison - Southern Maryland Headline News

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HOLLYWOOD, Md. (March 20, 2008) -- Circuit Court Judge C. Clarke Raley sentenced 20-year-old Johntonna Young to life without parole for the killing of an aircraft mechanic in February of 2007 in Lexington Park, the county’s only homicide last year.

Young was convicted in September of killing Kenneth James Walter, 24, by shooting him twice in the head when the victim came out to his running automobile on a winter morning and found Young in the backseat of his car, apparently attempting to steal certain items.

Young, according to court testimony at his trial, used a Glock 19 9mm handgun that had been stolen in an armed robbery of The Tackle Box just days before.

The victim’s parents Cynthia and Guy Walter both delivered impassioned pleas to the court asking for the maximum penalty for their son’s killer.

“I’m here in Maryland where I should be visiting my son,” said Cynthia Walter tearfully from the witness stand. “But instead I’m in this court room looking for justice.”

Cynthia Walter described her son as a well-loved veteran who had made friends literally across the globe from his service in the U.S. Navy.

She said that the family had held two memorials for her son because of all the people he left behind and both were filled.

“He had his whole life ahead of him,” she said of her dead son. “Kenny was not in the wrong place at the wrong time… his life was taken by Johntonna Young.”

Guy Walter called Young a “coward” from the witness stand for “laying in wait” to shoot his son.

When he left the witness stand he looked directly at Young and told him: “You are nothing.”

“The citizens of Lexington Park and St. Mary’s County need to be protected from Young,” the victim’s father said. “He’s a career criminal who’s graduated to murder.”

Both State’s Attorney Richard Fritz and Young’s attorney Public Defender Sean Moran agreed that Young’s lengthy juvenile record was a warning that the juvenile justice system had failed to rehabilitate him.

“Unfortunately they failed him [Young] and the state of Maryland and Kenneth James Walter in this case,” Moran said to Raley, asking for the possibility of parole for his client.

Moran also said that Young came from an abusive, broken home, suffered from learning disabilities and traded prescription medication for marijuana and alcohol to self medicate and deal with his circumstances.

Young had been diagnosed with Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder as well as being bi-polar while still in elementary school, Moran said.

This, plus his lack of education, led to his client “having little chance of succeeding in the community.”

Fritz, however, argued that the senseless nature of the killing necessitated Young’s being sentenced to life with out the possibility of parole.

He said some homicides involving people engaging in risky or even criminal relationships and circumstances could be partially understood.

Not so the murder of the victim, Fritz said.

“What is not understandable is the random, senseless killing of people walking down the street in the normal course of their lives,” Fritz told the court. “This is one of the most cold-blooded, executiontype murders I’ve seen in 30 years.

“This case points to the total failure of the juvenile justice system. This case should signal something to those in that system.”

Young declined to say anything during his sentencing hearing when asked offered the chance by Raley.

Young’s family watched, mostly in silence as Raley pronounced his sentence.

Because of the jury’s guilty verdict, Raley said, as well as the statements made by the victim’s parents he “without hesitation and from the belief that no other sentence could be rendered in this case” sentenced Young to life in prison without parole as well as to a 20-year consecutive sentence for the use of a handgun in the commission of a felony.
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Exactly, although it maybe smart to secure the guns better than they do people like foodcritic are ridiculous blaming the Tacklebox for someone breaking into their store.

That is like a bad guy shooting and killing a cop and then the criminal saying "well he should had on his bullet proof vest if he really wanted to live"
The police keep catching the people breaking into and robbing this guys business, despite this guy not having adequate security systems. I agree that the first responsibility is to the scum that is robbing and burglarizing the business, but I also believe the business owner bears some responsibility for not properly securing his business, or having adequate security systems in place!
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Old 06-08-2008, 09:25 AM   #26 (permalink)
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The police keep catching the people breaking into and robbing this guys business, despite this guy not having adequate security systems. I agree that the first responsibility is to the scum that is robbing and burglarizing the business, but I also believe the business owner bears some responsibility for not properly securing his business, or having adequate security systems in place!

I would think, not saying I agree with, but I would think that the government would be involved in how guns are secured by firearms dealers. I mean they can get their nose into how individuals are to secure and store their personal firearms in their homes.

I thought in order to obtain and hold on to an FFL01 you had to prove to the BATFE that you had certain procedures for securing firearms, I.E. a safe. Guess not.

I would look it up but, I have limited time right now.
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I would think, not saying I agree with, but I would think that the government would be involved in how guns are secured by firearms dealers. I mean they can get their nose into how individuals are to secure and store their personal firearms in their homes.

I thought in order to obtain and hold on to an FFL01 you had to prove to the BATFE that you had certain procedures for securing firearms, I.E. a safe. Guess not.

I would look it up but, I have limited time right now.
I don't know of any law ordering people to secure their guns in a business or in a home. I do know of a law which holds parents or adults responsible if a child is able to obtain a weapon in a parents home.

Why someone would not agree with laws made to prevent nefarious creatures with obtaining weapons is beyond me. I guess you don't want any laws to protect society? Amazing!
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I don't know of any law ordering people to secure their guns in a business or in a home. I do know of a law which holds parents or adults responsible if a child is able to obtain a weapon in a parents home.

Why someone would not agree with laws made to prevent nefarious creatures with obtaining weapons is beyond me. I guess you don't want any laws to protect society? Amazing!


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How did you arrive @ this conclusion ..
What is it you don't understand? If the guy doesn't want a law placed to ensure people will properly secure their weapons, if there is no accountability to those who refuse to secure their weapons, then it is obvious the person doesn't want a percieved government intrusion into any other laws.
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What is it you don't understand? If the guy doesn't want a law placed to ensure people will properly secure their weapons, if there is no accountability to those who refuse to secure their weapons, then it is obvious the person doesn't want a perceived government intrusion into any other laws.


yeah ok I re REad it ............. forgive english class was never my good class and I am the product of a Public Skool Education ....

I guess Common Sense is not so common, If I owned a Gun Store, there bloody well would be a huge thick walled Vault and several doors with 1/2 inch steel on both sides and thick bolts with the heads welded .... and a barred door with the frame mount set into the poured concrete ...

or at least several gun safes bolted down ... I cannot believe with all the ATF Regulation there are not rules outlining min. standards for Gun Stores where the business is not run out of someones house ... like a dealer that only sells @ shows ...

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