Judge tells YouTube to turn over viewing logs

[vraiblonde]

Originally Posted by shiki

Just about everything. The ip is basically your internet fingerprint. What computer you are using, where that computer is, who you are...

Actually, your IP address tells virtually nothing about you except which ISP you're using. Once Viacom gets the IP addresses, they must then go to each and every ISP and get the personal information from *them*. And that's only if you're going straight and not using public WiFi or snagging on someone else's wireless connection.

So Goyde is right that they're not going after individual users, but using that information to get their big fat settlement like the RIAA did with the Napster people. Google should tell them to FOAD and make them spend the money to get a real number.

[Goyde]

Originally Posted by AndyMarquisLIVE

No, it's worse than that.

Viacom wants to sue everyone who's uploaded content with Viacom content in it. They even said that would include people who had a TV turned to CBS in the background of a clip where they were singing for their personal webcam.

Fair Use doesn't exist anymore apparently.

It all comes down to money. Viacom is DESPERATE. CBS is a sinking ship, SpikeTV is a falling rock and their whole media empire is fizzling out, fast. Viacom is desperate for money, and they got a liberal judge who's paved the way for them to #### over their viewers to get it.

I won't even watch a football game on CBS now.

I seriously doubt that a venture into trying to obtain monies from individuals who may have viewed or had a TV in the background on when you-tubin would yield any considerable capital for something the size of Viacom. The average citizen could afford what ? Companies burn through millions of dollars daily, the legal fees involved in pursuing individuals, well not profitable. RIAA did enough to make a statement and to get 'things in place'. This- in my opinion - would be more to set a precedent for future litigation or agenda's. I'm sure certain chronic uploaders will be targetted however. A message will need to be sent. Reduce the numbers by making those who would do it just for fun, or sometimes, avoid doing it out of fear. Thereby reducing the numbers....No demand, no supply.

"Fear is the mind killer..." --- Frank Herbert

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

Originally Posted by Goyde

I seriously doubt that a venture into trying to obtain monies from individuals who may have viewed or had a TV in the background on when you-tubin would yield any considerable capital for something the size of Viacom. The average citizen could afford what ? Companies burn through millions of dollars daily, the legal fees involved in pursuing individuals, well not profitable. RIAA did enough to make a statement and to get 'things in place'. This- in my opinion - would be more to set a precedent for future litigation or agenda's. I'm sure certain chronic uploaders will be targetted however. A message will need to be sent. Reduce the numbers by making those who would do it just for fun, or sometimes, avoid doing it out of fear. Thereby reducing the numbers....No demand, no supply.

"Fear is the mind killer..." --- Frank Herbert

And everyone like you said the RIAA would never go after individual people for downloading music or burning their CDs to computers or burning a copy of a CD for their friends.

Got a surprise there, didn't you?

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

Originally Posted by BOP

You say you like debate? How about this? Such a move on the part of the COURT could conceivably have a chilling affect on people's behavior.

This has set a dangerous precedent, and this has also thrown "Fair Use" out the window.

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

They're trying to establish an argument for value. Nothing sinister here. Who the hell cares, why would anyone care, what you've been viewing? Where is the threat to liberty? Of course, anyone who has been viewing American Idle videos, I can see using that as a base line rational for deportation.

This is a business move.

There would be no losses if Viacom embraced the streaming media market like everyone else did. They were the last company to offer their shows on DVD, and they're the last company to offer their media online. If you refuse to keep up with the media trends, I have no sympathy for you.

Viacom's desperate, that's all there is to it.

[RadioPatrol]

Originally Posted by shiki

Just about everything. The ip is basically your internet fingerprint. What computer you are using, where that computer is, who you are...

unless you use one of these:

I2P Anonymous Network - I2P

or Tor or an Onion Router Connection

[Goyde]

Originally Posted by AndyMarquisLIVE

And everyone like you said the RIAA would never go after individual people for downloading music or burning their CDs to computers or burning a copy of a CD for their friends.

Got a surprise there, didn't you?

No I didn't get a suprise, I knew they would go after enough to make a statement, and the funny thing is if you do your research you will see how many of those lawsuits were settled minimally or dismissed. They only wanted the press. They wanted the word out there was a witchhunt in progress. Remember laws only affect those who abide by them.....locks keep honest people honest....<insert quote here>...It was a message plain and simple. And truthfully, downloading pirated music, in my opinion IS stealing. I don't agree with the tactics used but the crime is still a crime. TBH I am suprised it took this long for someone to do anything about it.

Oh and BTW the RIAA is not a 'corporation' per se , they are an activist group on behalf of musicians who incorporated, their overhead and operation costs are not that of someone like viacom who actually produce something and have a product, not just a litigious organization.


Big diff between the two.

[bcp (Premo)]

great, I guess Im coming out once they discover that I spend 6 hours a day watching the homosexual youtube offerings.

wish you would have posted this before I did that sheep thing.. I think she was only 5.

[RadioPatrol]

Originally Posted by Goyde

Oh and BTW the RIAA is not a 'corporation' per se , they are an activist group on behalf of musicians who incorporated, their overhead and operation costs are not that of someone like viacom who actually produce something and have a product, not just a litigious organization.

and a couple members have pulled out due to either Gray area or outright blackhat tactics ... or bad press, or costs exceed results ...

[Goyde]

Originally Posted by RadioPatrol

and a couple members have pulled out due to either Gray area or outright blackhat tactics ... or bad press, or costs exceed results ...

Case in point.