DHS can take your laptop for "reasonable" time...

[mv_princess]

Originally Posted by AndyMarquisLIVE

Actually, this was a news article, posted in the "News and Current Events" thread.

You Fail... Please try again.

So? You are biatching about National Security, so do you suggest we do?

I guess we could just hang a Sign up that says "Yes we are open please come right in"

[mv_princess]

Originally Posted by LateApex

I'm sorry. I didn't know you were privy to the inner machinations of the DHS.

The point is they can seize your property - without provocation - and hold it.

Not sure if you're aware of this little thing we call the Bill of Rights - say maybe the 4th amendment - that afford US citizens rights against this sort of behavior.

Well let me know when they take YOUR items. YOUR laptop and hold it for months on end.

Which I am sure they will do next time you leave the country. And when they do, we will talk about it then.

[LateApex]

Originally Posted by mv_princess

So? You are biatching about National Security, so do you suggest we do?

I guess we could just hang a Sign up that says "Yes we are open please come right in"

You really are missing the point...

The point is - they can take your personal belongings - WITHOUT CAUSE OF SUSPICION - and do what they want with it.

Why should we give them this right?

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

Originally Posted by LateApex

I'm sorry. I didn't know you were privy to the inner machinations of the DHS.

The point is they can seize your property - without provocation - and hold it.

Not sure if you're aware of this little thing we call the Bill of Rights - say maybe the 4th amendment - that afford US citizens rights against this sort of behavior.

Everytime I see this crap on the news, I say to myself "who would stand for this type of ?"

Then I say "oh yeah, the SOMD righties!"

Congratulations SOMD Forums. Once more, you don't let me down.

[mv_princess]

Originally Posted by LateApex

You really are missing the point...

The point is - they can take your personal belongings - WITHOUT CAUSE OF SUSPICION - and do what they want with it.

Why should we give them this right?

Explain to me how it is different then a cop pulling someone over for what they might think is a DUI/DWI. Or doing Sober check points?

You are correct that it is not National Security, but aren't they still "just checking"

[LateApex]

Originally Posted by mv_princess

Well let me know when they take YOUR items. YOUR laptop and hold it for months on end.

Which I am sure they will do next time you leave the country. And when they do, we will talk about it then.

Been there and done that honey.

Crossing back into the US - from Vancouver, BC. (Blaine station)

Buddy and I coming back from a camping - Elk hunting trip.

We spent a week out in the field.

For someone reason they thought that two unkempt guys WITH military ID's were reason to search the vehicle. Took door panels off - removed the trunk liners etc.

Came back to us 3 hours later and said thank you and come again.

Guess what?

All the panels and various bits were packed in his trunk.

[LateApex]

Originally Posted by mv_princess

Explain to me how it is different then a cop pulling someone over for what they might think is a DUI/DWI. Or doing Sober check points?

You just answered your own question.

...pulling someone over for what they might think is a DUI/DWI

They have suspicion to pull you over.

That's the difference.

Please...

[mv_princess]

Ok.

[BOP]

Originally Posted by mv_princess

Just how many attacks have happened since 9/11?


Seems to me they are doing a pretty damn good job.

The lack of attacks since 9/11 does not constitute "proof" that attacks have been prevented. You can't prove a negative.

Personally, I don't like being treated like a suspect before I've given any indication that I am up to no good.

See how that works, or is that too abstract a concept for you?

[annoyance]

Originally Posted by mv_princess

So you have a problem with National Security?

Are you hiding something?

The chances of them taking YOUR laptop are slim to none, unless you are simply being stupid about it.

Article [IV.]

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.